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RE: White Privilege? - PhilHos - 07-13-2018
(07-13-2018, 04:53 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Majority is too much of an understatement. It has to be close to statistically zero.
Vast majority?
Overwhelming majority?
Overwhelmingly vast majority?
RE: White Privilege? - Beaker - 07-13-2018
(07-13-2018, 04:24 PM)jj22 Wrote: You conveniently left out the pulling guns out part. But I understand why.
If you pull a gun on a cop, Darwinism applies. Yet there are still extenuating circumstances in every encounter.
There have certainly been standoffs with black suspects who had guns pulled that ended without the suspect getting shot. And there are certainly cases where white suspects with guns have been killed.
A guy with a gun yelling "get off my property" (black or white) is a much different circumstance than chasing a suspect who may have just committed a violent crime down a dark alley. Both situations are threatening to the cop, but to different degrees. And there are also different amounts of time to make a decision about whether to shoot or not in each case.
So again.....saying a black suspect would definitely be shot and a white one wouldn't is not only incorrect, but is also divisive.
RE: White Privilege? - jj22 - 07-13-2018
Well when you are ready for the test study let me know.
RE: White Privilege? - fredtoast - 07-13-2018
(07-13-2018, 04:06 PM)Beaker Wrote: Are you a minority? You say it all the time.
I am agreeing with them.
Does that make me a white supremacist?
RE: White Privilege? - Beaker - 07-13-2018
(07-13-2018, 08:06 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I am agreeing with them.
Does that make me a white supremacist?
Naw...that's just your white guilt.
RE: White Privilege? - Beaker - 07-13-2018
(07-13-2018, 05:47 PM)jj22 Wrote: Well when you are ready for the test study let me know.
I would't be stupid enough to pull a gun on a cop no matter what color I was.
RE: White Privilege? - fredtoast - 07-13-2018
(07-13-2018, 10:28 PM)Beaker Wrote: Naw...that's just your white guilt.
Why would I have any guilt?
You think every person who wants to help another person is doing it out of guilt? I guess that means you give zero to charity, right?
RE: White Privilege? - Beaker - 07-16-2018
Helping people, or atoning?
white guilt:
a belief, often subconscious, among white liberals that being white is, in and of itself, a great transgression against the rest of the world for which one must spend their life making atonement.
RE: White Privilege? - GMDino - 07-16-2018
(07-16-2018, 10:47 AM)Beaker Wrote: Helping people, or atoning?
white guilt:
a belief, often subconscious, among white liberals that being white is, in and of itself, a great transgression against the rest of the world for which one must spend their life making atonement.
Guilt or the desire to see everyone given the opportunity to succeed?
I've never felt "guilty" about being born white. I have felt like minorities have been repressed in various ways (legally and legally) as a result of white guys who didn't like "others" being equal.
RE: White Privilege? - Beaker - 07-16-2018
RE: White Privilege? - bfine32 - 07-16-2018
I listened to an interesting story this weekend that brought to mind this thread. It was a look into why suicide rates are much higher in whites than blacks. One theory tossed out was that if you are white and are failing you have no one to blame but yourself. However, if you are black and failing society leads you to believe someone else is to blame for your failure.
RE: White Privilege? - GMDino - 07-16-2018
(07-16-2018, 11:53 AM)bfine32 Wrote: I listened to an interesting story this weekend that brought to mind this thread. It was a look into why suicide rates are much higher in whites than blacks. One theory tossed out was that if you are white and are failing you have no one to blame but yourself. However, if you are black and failing society leads you to believe someone else is to blame for your failure.
Well that doesn't sound like a good theory.
For one I know plenty of whites who blame others for their failures (government, immigrants, minorities getting an "unfair" advantage).
And Native Americans are a higher rate than whites.
https://www.sprc.org/racial-ethnic-disparities
Maybe blacks are just better at handling failure? (Assuming failure is the reason for all/most suicides.)
RE: White Privilege? - fredtoast - 07-16-2018
(07-16-2018, 10:47 AM)Beaker Wrote: Helping people, or atoning?
white guilt:
a belief, often subconscious, among white liberals that being white is, in and of itself, a great transgression against the rest of the world for which one must spend their life making atonement.
You have to be kidding.
You know why this only applies to white people wanting to help minorities and not everyone else who wants to help other people?
Because Fox News says so.
RE: White Privilege? - fredtoast - 07-16-2018
(07-16-2018, 11:53 AM)bfine32 Wrote: One theory tossed out was that if you are white and are failing you have no one to blame but yourself. However, if you are black and failing society leads you to believe someone else is to blame for your failure.
Who threw out that theory?
I'll bet is was a political commentator instead of a psychologist.
RE: White Privilege? - bfine32 - 07-16-2018
(07-16-2018, 12:41 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Who threw out that theory?
I'll bet is was a political commentator instead of a psychologist.
I'll see if I can find it. It was on NPR; so it was most likely a specialist in the field . They had a long special on suicide rates. For instance the same person said only 3 places in the US last year had a higher homicide rate than suicide rate: Louisiana, Maryland, and DC. She also talked about a spike in suicides after a high profile suicide. So I doubt there was any political bias, but just in case: What do you want to bet?
RE: White Privilege? - Beaker - 07-16-2018
(07-16-2018, 12:31 PM)fredtoast Wrote: You have to be kidding.
You know why this only applies to white people wanting to help minorities and not everyone else who wants to help other people?
Because Fox News says so.
Sucks when people make huge assumptions about what your motives are without really knowing, doesn't it?
RE: White Privilege? - fredtoast - 07-16-2018
(07-16-2018, 11:04 AM)Beaker Wrote:
1. Does not address any numbers about bank loans but just cites the same "logic" that no business would ever discriminate against a certain race because they would lose business. You know, the same "logic" that proves there was no discrimination in the the Jim Crow south and that businesses like Amyx Hardware do not really exist.
2. Cites a "1994 study by Justice Department" on sentencing that I can't seem to find anywhere except in arguments of white apologists. I'd love to see what that study really says.
RE: White Privilege? - fredtoast - 07-16-2018
(07-16-2018, 01:19 PM)Beaker Wrote: Sucks when people make huge assumptions about what your motives are without really knowing, doesn't it?
What does this even mean?
Are you admitting you are wrong and trying to argue both sides at the same time?
I don't care about motives. I just think it is sad that anyone would fall for a line like "People who want to help other people are good people except if you are white and want to help minorities. Then you are just a selfish person driven by your own guilt trying to make yourself feel better."
RE: White Privilege? - Beaker - 07-16-2018
(07-16-2018, 01:42 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I just think it is sad that anyone would fall for a line like "People who want to help other people are good people except if you are white and want to help minorities. Then you are just a selfish person driven by your own guilt trying to make yourself feel better."
Who said that line?
RE: White Privilege? - Beaker - 07-16-2018
(07-16-2018, 01:36 PM)fredtoast Wrote: 1. Does not address any numbers about bank loans but just cites the same "logic" that no business would ever discriminate against a certain race because they would lose business.
It actually does not say that no business would ever discriminate. It says that businesses who do discriminate will lose business to others who do not. How is that logic wrong? Answer....it's not. Same with loans. If a certain bank has a loan officer who is racist and won't give QUALIFIED applicants loans, then those qualified applicants will get loans from other banks who will welcome their business.