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RE: Bad Boys II - Belsnickel - 10-14-2019 This looks a lot like a bad shoot: https://www.texastribune.org/2019/10/13/fort-worth-police-officer-shoots-and-kills-black-woman-home/ Quote:A white police officer shot and killed a black Fort Worth woman in a home while responding to a request for a wellness check Saturday, police said. RE: Bad Boys II - Au165 - 10-14-2019 (10-14-2019, 12:28 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: This looks a lot like a bad shoot: https://www.texastribune.org/2019/10/13/fort-worth-police-officer-shoots-and-kills-black-woman-home/ This guy probably should be looking at some sort of criminal negligence charge. RE: Bad Boys II - Belsnickel - 10-14-2019 (10-14-2019, 12:53 PM)Au165 Wrote: This guy probably should be looking at some sort of criminal negligence charge. Indeed. And, honestly, it almost looks to me like what happened was a negligent discharge. Don't know that for sure, but it seems like not only was there a lack of announcing himself as police but also a lack of trigger discipline. RE: Bad Boys II - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 10-14-2019 (10-14-2019, 12:53 PM)Au165 Wrote: This guy probably should be looking at some sort of criminal negligence charge. (10-14-2019, 12:55 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Indeed. And, honestly, it almost looks to me like what happened was a negligent discharge. Don't know that for sure, but it seems like not only was there a lack of announcing himself as police but also a lack of trigger discipline. From what I've seen, I agree. RE: Bad Boys II - fredtoast - 10-14-2019 (10-14-2019, 12:28 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: This looks a lot like a bad shoot: https://www.texastribune.org/2019/10/13/fort-worth-police-officer-shoots-and-kills-black-woman-home/ Why do the police always have to make it worse by doing things like releasing a photo of a "weapon" and then refusing to comment on it. I remember when Guyger killed that guy the police almost immediately released a story about finding pot in his apartment. I know police love "The Blue Wall", but they don't seem to realize that it is one of the biggest reasons many people have problems trusting law enforcement. RE: Bad Boys II - bfine32 - 10-14-2019 (10-14-2019, 12:28 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: This looks a lot like a bad shoot: https://www.texastribune.org/2019/10/13/fort-worth-police-officer-shoots-and-kills-black-woman-home/ Seems like a terrible move by the Leo. But when a story of such tragedy leads with: "White cop kills black woman" then there is little wonder why we are so divided as a society. By reading the story there's a possibility this dude saw nothing more than a shadow; much less took the time to racial profile. RE: Bad Boys II - GMDino - 10-14-2019 (10-14-2019, 06:47 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Seems like a terrible move by the Leo. But when a story of such tragedy leads with: "White cop kills black woman" then there is little wonder why we are so divided as a society. By reading the story there's a possibility this dude saw nothing more than a shadow; much less took the time to racial profile. True. He could just be incompetent and not racist. I suppose that's better. RE: Bad Boys II - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 10-14-2019 (10-14-2019, 07:11 PM)GMDino Wrote: True. He could just be incompetent and not racist. Actually, yeah, since you want to put a scale on things. The end result is the same for the family and friends but clearly motivation is a concern or we wouldn't have hate crime laws, would we? RE: Bad Boys II - bfine32 - 10-14-2019 (10-14-2019, 10:42 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Actually, yeah, since you want to put a scale on things. The end result is the same for the family and friends but clearly motivation is a concern or we wouldn't have hate crime laws, would we? I will admit it took me denying it for a while but that dude is free to say, do, post anything he wants in the forum with absolutely no accountability. I've quit responding to him and have just let his constant insults go unchecked. I hope folks are proud of what they have done to this forum. It's dying and that's sad. RE: Bad Boys II - GMDino - 10-15-2019 (10-14-2019, 10:42 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Actually, yeah, since you want to put a scale on things. The end result is the same for the family and friends but clearly motivation is a concern or we wouldn't have hate crime laws, would we? *I* don't want to do anything of the sort. The shooters motivations will come out in trial hopefully. I also don't wish to deflect from the tragedy by trying to talk about whether the officer killed someone because of their race right out of the gate. Nothing will bring this young woman back. Maybe THIS time something will be learned that can be helpful in stopping the NEXT time from happening? Can't stop every time but you can pay attention and try to learn from them. RE: Bad Boys II - GMDino - 10-15-2019 Wow. https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/investigations/2019/10/14/brady-lists-police-officers-dishonest-corrupt-still-testify-investigation-database/2233386001/ Long article. We need to do better. Police have a very hard job. The ones that do it poorly need pointed out, removed and learned from...not covered up. RE: Bad Boys II - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 10-15-2019 (10-15-2019, 07:19 AM)GMDino Wrote: *I* don't want to do anything of the sort. Until then you'll just speculate on them. Quote:I also don't wish to deflect from the tragedy by trying to talk about whether the officer killed someone because of their race right out of the gate. Except you did exactly that. (10-14-2019, 07:11 PM)GMDino Wrote: True. He could just be incompetent and not racist. indeed. Quote:Nothing will bring this young woman back. Maybe THIS time something will be learned that can be helpful in stopping the NEXT time from happening? Can't stop every time but you can pay attention and try to learn from them. Possibly, and believe me when I say that happens every time it's possible. RE: Bad Boys II - GMDino - 10-15-2019 (10-15-2019, 11:17 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Until then you'll just speculate on them. I did zero speculation. I responded to someone who did. Maybe I need that sarcasm font? (10-15-2019, 11:17 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Possibly, and believe me when I say that happens every time it's possible. I don't doubt that...and I don't doubt every time it needs to be shared and talked about. It's a tragedy all the way around. RE: Bad Boys II - fredtoast - 10-15-2019 (10-14-2019, 06:47 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Seems like a terrible move by the Leo. But when a story of such tragedy leads with: "White cop kills black woman" then there is little wonder why we are so divided as a society. By reading the story there's a possibility this dude saw nothing more than a shadow; much less took the time to racial profile. One of the privileges we have as white people is that we don't have to look at policemen as people who profile us based on race. So sometimes it is hard for us to understand why race plays such a big part in these type of situations. The fact is that police profile and lie about it. Once you know that police profile people of your race then you are going to be justified in having concerns every time a police officer shoots a black person. It is like being in a relationship with a woman who has been proven to cheat on you. You are always going to be suspicious. The problem is that African Americans can't break up with the police. And it doesn't even have to be a white police officer. Black cops are also involved in profiling people based on race. RE: Bad Boys II - ballsofsteel - 10-15-2019 "White cop kills black woman" . One of the few things we know about this tragedy that is actual fact. Don't let that get in the way spinning things. RE: Bad Boys II - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 10-15-2019 (10-15-2019, 05:58 PM)ballsofsteel Wrote: "White cop kills black woman" . One of the few things we know about this tragedy that is actual fact. Don't let that get in the way spinning things. Who exactly is spinning? RE: Bad Boys II - bfine32 - 10-15-2019 Seems there might be another reason other that skin color that this dumbass pulled the trigger: https://www.yahoo.com/news/texas-woman-shot-officer-had-175635837.html Quote:A Texas woman was shot dead by a Fort Worth police officer in her home after she heard noises outside, picked up a handgun and pointed it at a window, the officer's arrest warrant showed on Tuesday. WTF, didn't the dude just knock on the open front door? RE: Bad Boys II - Belsnickel - 10-16-2019 (10-15-2019, 09:51 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Seems there might be another reason other that skin color that this dumbass pulled the trigger: That's the biggest issue, here, and one some of the cops and former cops I follow on social media have been saying. Every one of them had said that based on their training and procedures, for a call like this one officer goes to the back door while another officer knocks loudly at the front and announces "police." This covers both entrances and announcing yourself sets things in motion. Since there was no announcement of police, even when he was telling her to put her hands up, she was completely within her rights to have that firearm ready to go to protect her and her nephew (I believe it was). Every cop I follow was like "if I was that homeowner in that situation, you better believe I'd have my handgun ready to go." Honestly, from the get go on this, my take has been that this wasn't malicious. This cop made a mistake, a tragic one. I don't know how long he had been an officer, but that seemed like a more "rookie" mistake. Failure to announce and a lack of trigger discipline. That being said, when an officer sees a gun there is going to be that immediate response to end a threat to the public and themselves. It's completely understandable to me what happened, but that doesn't excuse it. RE: Bad Boys II - GMDino - 10-16-2019 (10-16-2019, 09:42 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: That's the biggest issue, here, and one some of the cops and former cops I follow on social media have been saying. Every one of them had said that based on their training and procedures, for a call like this one officer goes to the back door while another officer knocks loudly at the front and announces "police." This covers both entrances and announcing yourself sets things in motion. Since there was no announcement of police, even when he was telling her to put her hands up, she was completely within her rights to have that firearm ready to go to protect her and her nephew (I believe it was). Every cop I follow was like "if I was that homeowner in that situation, you better believe I'd have my handgun ready to go." From the initial reports I think they said he was on the force since 2018. We have to train these guys better. Period. This "mistake" took an innocent life, in her own home. No excuses. Find out why this man didn't know or follow procedure for a non-emergency welfare check and fix it. RE: Bad Boys II - GMDino - 10-16-2019 Meanwhile.... https://www.theroot.com/like-a-prisoner-in-my-own-home-black-nj-family-says-th-1838980994 Quote:The definition of loitering, as it relates to criminal offense, generally runs along the lines of this: to hang around a public place with no expressed—particularly, legal—purpose. It follows then, that one place you can’t loiter in, by definition, is your home; a very not public place where the expectation is you do whatever (hopefully legal) **** you want. |