(08-10-2018, 05:17 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Maybe you shouldn't comment on something you have so little knowledge of.

(08-10-2018, 05:17 PM)fredtoast Wrote: There have been multiple studies posted showing that blacks and minorities are treated worse in housing applications, job applications, and profiling by police. 

(08-10-2018, 05:17 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Since white people are treated better and white people control a disproportionate amount of wealth and power in this country then white people have a privilege.

(08-10-2018, 05:17 PM)fredtoast Wrote: If you admit that racism exists.  And if you admit that white people control a disproportionate amount of wealth and power in this country, then you have to admit that there is a privilege to being white in the United States.

(08-10-2018, 05:13 PM)fredtoast Wrote: So when they only control about 1% of the economy I don't think that is much of a privilege.  What other industry is controlled by blacks or minorities?

(08-10-2018, 12:01 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Here you go again.  

When racism is involved the person who is a member of the group that controls a disproportionate amount of the wealth and power has a privilege.

Black people in the JIm crow south held racist views of white people but they had ZERO privilege.

It is absurd to claim that racism is the exact same thing as privilege.  If you disagree then list all of the privileges that blacks in the Jim Crow south enjoyed.

(08-10-2018, 09:36 PM)Vlad Wrote: Thats totally screwed up.


I don't think you understand the term "white privilege".

During Jim Crow it was a given that due to racism there was little or no privilege for blacks...to specify "black privilege" or "white privilege" was unnecessary. You were either a racist or a victim of racism.

 "White privilege" is a term invented by white guilt liberals ...aimed at fellow white people, not to accuse them of anything, but rather to make them aware, ashamed, or guilty of the fact they are still privileged in a certain way...despite of all the positive strides that have taken place to eradicate racism and discrimination.

For example...I am white, I walk into a bank and talk to the loan officer about a loan...no problem. Later a black man enters the bank and the loan officer immediately takes a harder look and or is  wary.

I did nothing wrong, but I unknowingly was the beneficiary of white privilege.. Making me aware is the objective of these white guilt self loathing liberals.

(08-10-2018, 09:36 PM)Vlad Wrote: I did nothing wrong, but I unknowingly was the beneficiary of white privilege.. Making me aware is the objective of these white guilt self loathing liberals.

(08-10-2018, 09:36 PM)Vlad Wrote: Thats totally screwed up.


I don't think you understand the term "white privilege".

During Jim Crow it was a given that due to racism there was little or no privilege for blacks...to specify "black privilege" or "white privilege" was unnecessary. You were either a racist or a victim of racism.

 "White privilege" is a term invented by white guilt liberals ...aimed at fellow white people, not to accuse them of anything, but rather to make them aware, ashamed, or guilty of the fact they are still privileged in a certain way...despite of all the positive strides that have taken place to eradicate racism and discrimination.

For example...I am white, I walk into a bank and talk to the loan officer about a loan...no problem. Later a black man enters the bank and the loan officer immediately takes a harder look and or is  wary.

I did nothing wrong, but I unknowingly was the beneficiary of white privilege.. Making me aware is the objective of these white guilt self loathing liberals.

(08-10-2018, 06:24 PM)Beaker Wrote: You said wealth and power. You do not have to control an industry to confer privilege. If you say a white cop letting a white person go, and writing a ticket for the same offense to a black driver is white privilege, then the opposite is true also. If a black cop lets a black guy go and writes a ticket for a white motorist for the same violation, then it is black privilege.

But I will give you credit for admitting black privilege exists. In your own example, 1% may not be much, but it is still privilege. 

I still call both examples racism.

(08-13-2018, 04:18 PM)fredtoast Wrote: It has nothing to do with "guilt" or "shame".  That trope was invented by the white people who tried to claim there was no such thing as white privilege.  At least you admit it exists.

This is where the argument ends.  "White privilege" has nothing to do with guilt.  The only time it is an issue at all is when some white people try to claim it does not exist.

(08-13-2018, 04:37 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Civil liberties and civil rights are not privileges so why was that term invented?  It's certainly intended to get a reaction.

(08-13-2018, 05:03 PM)fredtoast Wrote: It was not invented to get a reaction.  It was invented in order to have a discussion whenever a white person claimed that everything was 100% equal in the United Sates for black and white people and there was no privilege to being white.

Don't tell me you have never heard a white person say that.  

(08-13-2018, 04:23 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I think you are finally starting to grasp the concept now.

In a country where every person gives favors to people of his own race it is a huge privilege to belong to the race that controls a large disproportionate amount of the power and wealth.

(08-13-2018, 05:03 PM)fredtoast Wrote: It was not invented to get a reaction.  It was invented in order to have a discussion whenever a white person claimed that everything was 100% equal in the United Sates for black and white people and there was no privilege to being white.

(08-10-2018, 09:36 PM)Vlad. Wrote: For example...I am white, I walk into a bank and talk to the loan officer about a loan...no problem. Later a black man enters the bank and the loan officer immediately takes a harder look and or is  wary.

(08-13-2018, 04:23 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I think you are finally starting to grasp the concept now.

In a country where every person gives favors to people of his own race it is a huge privilege to belong to the race that controls a large disproportionate amount of the power and wealth.

(08-14-2018, 04:44 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Not only is that against the law (and I don't just mean discriminating, but even taking a "harder look" is against the law), but banks are required to go out of their way to show that they DON'T do that. And not just racially, but in all protected groups (gender, sexual orientation, etc.).

(08-14-2018, 04:50 PM)michaelsean Wrote: I imagine we could figure that out by looking at foreclosures.  If black people are scrutinized more heavily, they should have a lower rate of foreclosures.

(08-14-2018, 04:53 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Trust me. There's a LOT of reports and info that banks have to provide to prove that they are NOT scrutinizing nor discriminating against minorities. ANY finding can lead to massive fines as well as other punishments.

(08-14-2018, 04:49 PM)PhilHos Wrote: What favors has Donald Trump given me? Or Bill Gates? Or Steve Jobs prior to his passing? Or Warren Buffet? Or Ted Nugent? Or any of the white politicians in Washington? I've met exactly 0 of these men, yet somehow they've given me favors that they haven't given to my minority friends?

(08-14-2018, 05:56 AM)Beaker Wrote: I think you are finally starting to grasp the concept now that people of all racial groups can hold positions of power within our society such as police, bosses, teachers and professors, etc., and that they can confer "privilege" to people of their own racial group via that power, but that it is all racism to begin with.