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RE: Do words matter? - CageTheBengal - 05-30-2017 (05-30-2017, 11:52 AM)Matt_Crimson Wrote: I'd say words do matter, however, what matters more is how you perceive what's being said and that is where the problem lies. Whatever Trump says is going to be filtered by our perceptions and we will either perceive it to be good, bad, or take a neutral stance on it. Nobody can see his thoughts or motives so doesn't it make sense to use his words as a clue instead of just throwing up our hands and saying "Well we don't know.". That's the same rules that apply to you and me. People perceive us based upon how we present ourselves in public. Our crowd, our words, our appearance, our actions all of it makes up the perception people have of us because it's the only clues they have as to who somebody really is. If Trump doesn't want to be perceived the way he does and is really a good guy why would he mock people and come across like a bully throughout the election process? He was a media darling before his campaign when he was working for NBC and hosting The Apprentence and still gave reasons to perceive him as the man he is perceived to be today. So it's not just the media being mean to him. I haven't seen anybody claim they know exactly what Trump's motives are. If anything it's all over the place and that's something that freaks people out. Nobody knows what he's thinking because he can flip flop all of the time and post tweets that are just rambling non-sense. He has spoken the most out of any political figure I've seen in an unfiltered format between Twitter and his rallies and it's ugly. Kicking people out of his rallies and yelling "Take their coat!" in winter is a lack of human decency and saying he will pay for the legal fees of anybody who roughs up a protestor shows a lack of human decency. How should a person perceive that other than what it is? The problem with Trump supporters is they constantly look for a reason to like Trump instead of looking at him for who he is. As long as he has another excuse or story they will eat it up hook line and sinker. So is he genuine and his words represent who he is and if so why did people elect him? Or is he just another politician hiding his motives and if so doesn't that contradict why people were drawn to him in the first place? RE: Do words matter? - michaelsean - 05-30-2017 (05-30-2017, 03:20 PM)CageTheBengal Wrote: I said I regretted bringing up Hillary as part of my example because I forgot some would get hung up on the example I posted instead of the actual point of the thread. Which is Trump is a hypocrite and there are more examples other than the one I posted. 3/5 of your quotes had to do with classified material. Nobody got hung up on Hillary, just that it wasn't the same thing. It's hard to concentrate on the point you are making if 60% of your examples are incorrect. RE: Do words matter? - Nebuchadnezzar - 05-30-2017 The only time words matter is when the opposing party says them. RE: Do words matter? - CageTheBengal - 05-30-2017 (05-30-2017, 03:47 PM)michaelsean Wrote: 3/5 of your quotes had to do with classified material. Nobody got hung up on Hillary, just that it wasn't the same thing. It's hard to concentrate on the point you are making if 60% of your examples are incorrect. How is it hard to concentrate on the point im making when all you need to do is replace those examples with other hypocritical things he said? It's not hard to find other material pointing out he's a hypocrite. Do you believe he isn't a hypocrite? Do you think it's acceptable that he demeans people? If so why and what do you tell yourself to justify that? We can dance around the point of the thread or just get to it. RE: Do words matter? - GMDino - 05-30-2017 Another point is that even Trump doesn't believe his words matter. All that matters is what agree with him. RE: Do words matter? - Vlad - 05-31-2017 (05-30-2017, 07:35 PM)CageTheBengal Wrote: How is it hard to concentrate on the point im making when all you need to do is replace those examples with other hypocritical things he said? It's not hard to find other material pointing out he's a hypocrite. Why don't you just go ahead and do that for everyone then. RE: Do words matter? - Vas Deferens - 05-31-2017 (05-31-2017, 02:31 AM)Vlad Wrote: Why don't you just go ahead and do that for everyone then. Not enough time in the day. You like it though. Have fun explaining that to your grandchildren. RE: Do words matter? - GMDino - 05-31-2017 (05-31-2017, 02:42 AM)Vas Deferens Wrote: Not enough time in the day. You like it though. Have fun explaining that to your grandchildren. This has become a common tactic from Trump supporters. Keep asking for examples. Then claiming they were "taking out of context" or that they weren't what he meant. When you can provide dozens of examples it gets to the point where everything is slogged down because there are so many they don't have to focus or even explain one. I'd say it's a good defensive move by the right but it's more a sign of agitation that they know they can't defend what he says so they try to make it that since he says a LOT of dumb/hypocritical things it's just everyone ELSE picking on him because they say there are so many of them. RE: Do words matter? - GMDino - 05-31-2017 Do words that just get made up and left on your official Twitter account for 6 hours matter? See? This was a silly thing. But that's what happens when you are the POTUS and you decide that you should post LOTS of things on Twitter to get your "real message straight tot he people." https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/31/us/politics/covfefe-trump-twitter.html?_r=0 Quote:And on the 132nd day, just after midnight, President Trump had at last delivered the nation to something approaching unity — in bewilderment, if nothing else. Put me in mind of this: So this wasn't policy. It wasn't anything hypocritical. It was just a 70 year old man falling asleep int he middle of a tweet (probably). And it will distract from all the other things because it's easy to poke fun of. Bad for both sides. RE: Do words matter? - ballsofsteel - 05-31-2017 The majority of the right in congress believe that Trump is a moron and a embarrassment to the Presidency and the Republican party. They are not stupid but because of the political football of "our" side versus "their side", they don't speak out about all the dumb shit he says and does. Most will just deflect and not say anything negative about Trump. (John McCain being one of the few exceptions but Trump insulted the hell out of him so maybe this is why he speaks up). Is all those right wing congressmen silent for a reason? Yes. They are worried about reelection and getting blackballed. They hate Trump and could give a shit less about the American citizens. If reversed the Left wing would probably act the same way but not as bad as the right. The left is willing to spread the wealth around a little while the right wants it all to themselves. One thing good about Trump becoming POTUS is how all these politicians are being exposed as the frauds they really are. Thank You for your time! RE: Do words matter? - GMDino - 05-31-2017
RE: Do words matter? - GMDino - 05-31-2017
RE: Do words matter? - michaelsean - 05-31-2017 (05-31-2017, 07:02 AM)GMDino Wrote: This has become a common tactic from Trump supporters. Keep asking for examples. Then claiming they were "taking out of context" or that they weren't what he meant. Nobody asked for examples. He gave them, and they were poor examples in my opinion. when I point it out I'm told to ignore the examples given that prove his point. But somehow that's a tactic of the right? RE: Do words matter? - Vlad - 05-31-2017 Funny how Trump haters conveniently omit the second part of his so called "Muslim ban". Why can't you display some integrity and admit that Trump proposed a ban on foreigners from Muslim nations until a better system of vetting could be put in place? In other words a moratorium...probably to big a word for Trumps vocabulary. Incidentally his revised executive order...a travel ban on 7 nations that Obama also had on his list of "nations of concern" was rejected by a scumbag liberal activist judge who based his reasoning solely on what Trump said during his campaign, not the law. That was classic judge playing liberal activist. Trump had the Constitutional right to do what he did. Demeaning ethnic minorities. You mean when he said "Mexico doesn't send its best, it sends killers and rapists"? Devastating. Some Mexicans got their feelings hurt. Trump received 30% of the Hispanic vote. Very good for a Republican. Seems many Mexicans understood what Trump was trying to convey. Too bad you didn't. The wall. Illegal crossings have dropped 40% and arrests up 39%. Fantastic news. Maybe we don't need no stinking wall after all. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/05/26/white-house-30000-criminal-aliens-apprehended-by-ice-in-100-days/ RE: Do words matter? - GMDino - 05-31-2017 (05-31-2017, 11:12 AM)Vlad Wrote: Funny how Trump haters conveniently omit the second part of his so called "Muslim ban". According to some polls. 29% to be accurate. Romney got 27%. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-probably-did-better-with-latino-voters-than-romney-did/ RE: Do words matter? - Dill - 05-31-2017 (05-31-2017, 11:12 AM)Vlad Wrote: Funny how Trump haters conveniently omit the second part of his so called "Muslim ban". Glad to see you are calling it what it was--a MUSLIM BAN. That is what makes the ban unconstitutional as well as short-sighted and logically inconsistent. Why would anyone be showing "integrity" by supporting an unconstitutional ban because it was not permanent? And Trump does not have a Constitutional right to violate the Constitution. That is one difference between an authoritarian dictator and a president in government structured by checks and balances. Rush and Hannity exclude Trump's stated intention from his reason for the ban. No reason why a judge should. The point of the remainder of your post is unclear. I guess you are arguing that some hispanics, who are not all Mexican, voted for Trump so he couldn't really have been demeaning them when associating Mexicans with killers and rapists. They understood "what he was trying to convey." This gets back to the theme of the thread--do words matter? They certainly matter less if you can always assume Trump meant something other than what he said, something his followers "understand" if no one else does. What they understand is either never clearly articulable or in direct contradiction with what Trump actually said. Words do matter to some degree or we would not be seeing so many people, including White House staff, constantly walking back and explaining what Trump "really meant." Week to week for months now. Words don't matter so much to Trump supporters, since if they did they would tie Trump and supporters to logical consistency, thought out positions, knowledge, competence. All of that, and the standards they imply, have fallen to the wayside since Trump's election. RE: Do words matter? - CageTheBengal - 05-31-2017 (05-31-2017, 11:12 AM)Vlad Wrote: Funny how Trump haters conveniently omit the second part of his so called "Muslim ban". That's good because it probably won't be a wall anymore. Quote:When is a wall not a wall? When it’s a fence. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/03/sean-spicer-border-wall-fence RE: Do words matter? - GMDino - 06-01-2017 Under this umbrella I was thinking about Spicer say the President has a small circle who knows what "covfefe" meant....with a straight face. Two thoughts: 1) Trump will never admit to a mistake. Ever. 2) Trump always says he uses Twitter because he can get his unfiltered message out to the masses. And when Spicer parses his words like that I can imagine it *IS* Spicer's spin on what the POTUS told him. I can hear Trump saying "...tell them *WE* know what it means...MY people know..." and Spicer cleans it up. Probably a lot of times that spicer seems like a bumbler he is trying to clean up the monosyllabic message from his boss. RE: Do words matter? - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 06-01-2017 Let's eat, Grandma. Let's eat Grandma. The first scenario is a nice family meal. The second scenario is cannibalism. We have some great, great words. When you invite Gradma to dinner and covfefe. RE: Do words matter? - GMDino - 06-04-2017 Just a little more proof that what Trump says and what Trump does is never the same...unless it makes Trump look better or more money.
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