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RE: Lie: Democrats Say They're Deeply Concerned About Trump's 'Racism' On Immigration. - SunsetBengal - 01-16-2018 (01-16-2018, 09:57 PM)GMDino Wrote: Tell that to the POTUS. He said he'd sign whatever they brought him. Be that as it may, still not a passed piece of legislation. Besides, you won't even give the Pres' credit for wanting to fix a wrong that's been going on for years, now. An unconstitutional executive order has been being used to completely circumvent US immigration law, for quite some time now. That is the entire premise of forcing Congress to pass something... When they bring him a passed piece of legislation, he will sign it. RE: Lie: Democrats Say They're Deeply Concerned About Trump's 'Racism' On Immigration. - GMDino - 01-16-2018 See it's all about that ![]() https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-calls-daca-agreement-from-bipartisan-group-of-senators-a-big-step-backwards/ Quote:President Trump on Friday expressed opposition to the "agreement in principle" struck by a bipartisan group of senators to protect so-called "Dreamers" and to enhance border security. Not about anything else. He thought he could force Democrats to agree to funding his Quote:On Thursday afternoon, a group of GOP and Democratic senators said that they had reached a deal while other lawmakers rejected their agreement. Fortunately congress has fewer crybabies and is working together on a solution despite the very stable genius. While I'm sure no one wants to take the time to read what is being offered/discussed when they just say the POTUS was right.... https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/1/16/16879632/daca-bill-durbin-graham Quote:When President Trump indelibly called African countries “shitholes” (or perhaps “shithouses”) in a White House meeting Thursday, he wasn’t just ranting. He was criticizing a proposed immigration deal struck by a bipartisan group of US senators — the only bipartisan proposal so far that could provide a solution for the 690,000 unauthorized immigrants facing the end of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program in time to avoid a government shutdown at the end of this week. RE: Lie: Democrats Say They're Deeply Concerned About Trump's 'Racism' On Immigration. - GMDino - 01-16-2018 (01-16-2018, 10:06 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Be that as it may, still not a passed piece of legislation. I answered all of this int he post before I saw your reply. He doesn't care...he wants his wall. That's all this is about. The king of negotiations is gonna make you pay for his wall. RE: Lie: Democrats Say They're Deeply Concerned About Trump's 'Racism' On Immigration. - StLucieBengal - 01-16-2018 We should just surcharged money transfers to Mexico until the Wall is paid. That will send some of these illegals home as well. RE: Lie: Democrats Say They're Deeply Concerned About Trump's 'Racism' On Immigration. - GMDino - 01-16-2018 (01-16-2018, 11:41 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: We should just surcharged money transfers to Mexico until the Wall is paid. That will send some of these illegals home as well. Except that's not it. You are going to pay. RE: Lie: Democrats Say They're Deeply Concerned About Trump's 'Racism' On Immigration. - StLucieBengal - 01-16-2018 (01-16-2018, 11:44 PM)GMDino Wrote: Except that's not it. You are going to pay. I’m fine with paying. It comes down to national defense and that’s what the government should be doing. RE: Lie: Democrats Say They're Deeply Concerned About Trump's 'Racism' On Immigration. - GMDino - 01-17-2018 (01-16-2018, 11:54 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: I’m fine with paying. It comes down to national defense and that’s what the government should be doing. Mexico is supposed to pay. If we can't afford education and healthcare we can't afford this vanity project. You voted for Mexico to pay. Lied. RE: Lie: Democrats Say They're Deeply Concerned About Trump's 'Racism' On Immigration. - StLucieBengal - 01-17-2018 (01-17-2018, 12:04 AM)GMDino Wrote: Mexico is supposed to pay. I didn’t vote for the wall to be paid by Mexico. I voted for a point system, deportations, and a wall. These are national defense items and that is well within the scope of the federal government as stated in the constitution. RE: Lie: Democrats Say They're Deeply Concerned About Trump's 'Racism' On Immigration. - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 01-17-2018 The citizens of the United States voted the current government into office. The agendas of that government were not a secret, hence people voted for that agenda. To criticize the current government for trying to enact that agenda is to display the understanding of a two year old. You can disagree with that agenda, and many do. But to say they shouldn't pursue it, when that is precisely what they were elected to do, is just, well, stupid. RE: Lie: Democrats Say They're Deeply Concerned About Trump's 'Racism' On Immigration. - GMDino - 01-17-2018 (01-17-2018, 11:58 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: The citizens of the United States voted the current government into office. The agendas of that government were not a secret, hence people voted for that agenda. To criticize the current government for trying to enact that agenda is to display the understanding of a two year old. You can disagree with that agenda, and many do. But to say they shouldn't pursue it, when that is precisely what they were elected to do, is just, well, stupid. Yet folks say "they didn't vote for" whatever part of the agenda they didn't like...even though the voted for the candidate espousing that agenda. I guess that's okay? If part of the agenda is giant vanity project that virtually every agrees is a waste of time and money should we NOT voice opposition and try to stop it just because the guy won? RE: Lie: Democrats Say They're Deeply Concerned About Trump's 'Racism' On Immigration. - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 01-17-2018 (01-17-2018, 12:15 PM)GMDino Wrote: Yet folks say "they didn't vote for" whatever part of the agenda they didn't like...even though the voted for the candidate espousing that agenda. What "folks" are you talking about? Generalities aren't helpful in this regard. Quote:I guess that's okay? Assuming your statement contains some degree of accuracy, I would also point out that it would be close to impossible for a person to agree with every single position a candidate espouses. Generally, in the adult world, we vote for the person we agree with the most, or who agrees with us on the issues we feel to be the most important. Quote:If part of the agenda is giant vanity project that virtually every agrees is a waste of time and money should we NOT voice opposition and try to stop it just because the guy won? Who is "we"? You and the Dems? The Dems would oppose him regardless, they made that clear on 11/08/17 when they already started talking impeachment. Not that the GOP was much more fair to Obama, but at least they had control of Congress to justify their obstructionism, checks and balances and all. The bottom line is this, the Dems (the minority party in every regard) are, apparently, willing to shut down the federal government, an action that will hurt US citizens, because they aren't getting what they want on the subject of people who are in the country illegally. This is a fact, no amount of lipstick will make that pig any prettier. RE: Lie: Democrats Say They're Deeply Concerned About Trump's 'Racism' On Immigration. - GMDino - 01-17-2018 (01-17-2018, 12:24 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: What "folks" are you talking about? Generalities aren't helpful in this regard. Perhaps you should read more. There are stories of people losing their healthcare that said they didn't think Trump would really push for it. There are people on this board who won't hold Trump to his statements about Mexico paying for the wall and quite happy for US taxpayers to pay for it when that's not what his agenda was. (01-17-2018, 12:24 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Assuming your statement contains some degree of accuracy, I would also point out that it would be close to impossible for a person to agree with every single position a candidate espouses. Generally, in the adult world, we vote for the person we agree with the most, or who agrees with us on the issues we feel to be the most important. 100% accuracy. And I understand that. And if they are opposed to part of the agenda, even if they voted for the candidate, they should speak up about it. (01-17-2018, 12:24 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Who is "we"? You and the Dems? The Dems would oppose him regardless, they made that clear on 11/08/17 when they already started talking impeachment. Not that the GOP was much more fair to Obama, but at least they had control of Congress to justify their obstructionism, checks and balances and all. "we" includes anyone who opposes a waste of time and money like "the wall". That is democrats and republicans. As you say, the Democrats are in the minority. Not much they can do but try to point out how bad an idea/bill/suggestion is. The GOP has control and can do as they please for the most part. But my question remains the same: Do we have to not try and stop a stupid thing simply because the party I belong to is in the minority? (01-17-2018, 12:24 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: The bottom line is this, the Dems (the minority party in every regard) are, apparently, willing to shut down the federal government, an action that will hurt US citizens, because they aren't getting what they want on the subject of people who are in the country illegally. This is a fact, no amount of lipstick will make that pig any prettier. The Democrats can not shut down the government. All the power lies with the GOP and your boy Trump. And Trump will do it because he can't get his ego trip wall paid for by you and me. Spinning enough will only make you dizzy. RE: Lie: Democrats Say They're Deeply Concerned About Trump's 'Racism' On Immigration. - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 01-17-2018 (01-17-2018, 12:36 PM)GMDino Wrote: Perhaps you should read more. There are stories of people losing their healthcare that said they didn't think Trump would really push for it. There are people on this board who won't hold Trump to his statements about Mexico paying for the wall and quite happy for US taxpayers to pay for it when that's not what his agenda was. I read plenty. You made a claim, it's your responsibility to actually back it up. Quote:100% accuracy. And I understand that. And if they are opposed to part of the agenda, even if they voted for the candidate, they should speak up about it. Why? Maybe they accept that part, even though it's not a policy they agree on? Adults make compromises and a good compromise leaves everyone unhappy. Quote:"we" includes anyone who opposes a waste of time and money like "the wall". That is democrats and republicans. "Like" the wall? You were just talking about the wall, what else are you now referring to? The wall is a waste in your opinion, not everyone shares that opinion. Quote:As you say, the Democrats are in the minority. Not much they can do but try to point out how bad an idea/bill/suggestion is. The GOP has control and can do as they please for the most part. Incorrect (so much for 100% accuracy). If this was true this wouldn't be a topic of discussion. The Dems can stimie anything they want on the Senate, and they have chosen, apparently, to shut down the federal government in an effort to protect people in the country illegally. Whatever your feelings on this topic, the fact remains that they are willing to harm US citizens for people who are in the country illegally. Quote:But my question remains the same: Do we have to not try and stop a stupid thing simply because the party I belong to is in the minority? Of course "stupid" being subjective. I consider many/most of your posts to be stupid, I'm sure you don't. Quote:The Democrats can not shut down the government. All the power lies with the GOP and your boy Trump. And Trump will do it because he can't get his ego trip wall paid for by you and me. Again incorrect. Did you fail basic civics in high school? I ask because you seem rather ignorant of how Congress works. Quote:Spinning enough will only make you dizzy. A typical maneuver of yours, accuse others of a tactic in an attempt to invalidate the entirety of their points. If you think I'm spinning with my straight-forward, factual, posts feel free to show how. RE: Lie: Democrats Say They're Deeply Concerned About Trump's 'Racism' On Immigration. - BmorePat87 - 01-17-2018 (01-16-2018, 08:43 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Sorry, but that's how politics works. The GOP is in power, they have the right to govern as the people voted them in. The Dems can either compromise or get nothing they want, betting that they will be in a better position after the 2018 elections. There is no way around the factual point that the Dems are willing to shut down the federal government in an effort to help people who are in the country illegally. Also, the D in DACA stands for deferred, meaning it was never supposed to be a permanent solution. That really doesn't change what I said about the person creating the issue being the one who started playing politics with it, it just excuses it as business as usual, which I know it is. I can't slap someone and then accuse them of starting a fight. RE: Lie: Democrats Say They're Deeply Concerned About Trump's 'Racism' On Immigration. - GMDino - 01-17-2018 (01-17-2018, 12:46 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I read plenty. You made a claim, it's your responsibility to actually back it up. http://time.com/4863859/trump-voters-healthcare-reform-obamacare-poll/ http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/19/politics/cnn-poll-tax-bill-opposition-grows/index.html https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2017-06-26/poll-president-trump-voters-oppose-his-education-agenda Read this board. Plenty of folks who say they won't hold Trump to what he said because they never believed it. (01-17-2018, 12:46 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Why? Maybe they accept that part, even though it's not a policy they agree on? Adults make compromises and a good compromise leaves everyone unhappy. And that still doesn't answer the question: If they voted for a and b but strongly disagree with c should they just be quiet? I say no. I say people should be willing to admit they oppose things even from people they support. I'd like to think that most people would stand up to things they think are wrong. (01-17-2018, 12:46 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: "Like" the wall? You were just talking about the wall, what else are you now referring to? The wall is a waste in your opinion, not everyone shares that opinion. Pick an agenda item and more people voted against it than for it (in the general election). As to the border wall: http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/351752-poll-support-drops-for-deportation-border-wall http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/344631-rasmussen-poll-most-dont-want-border-wall https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/08/25/most-americans-dont-want-the-wall-dont-think-mexico-will-pay-for-it-and-dont-believe-it-will-happen/?utm_term=.a296e6f317ca https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/04/24/trump-says-his-base-really-wants-a-border-wall-polls-show-most-americans-dont/?utm_term=.69dee7ab025e It's an ego trip that is a waste of time and money. (01-17-2018, 12:46 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Incorrect (so much for 100% accuracy). If this was true this wouldn't be a topic of discussion. The Dems can stimie anything they want on the Senate, and they have chosen, apparently, to shut down the federal government in an effort to protect people in the country illegally. Whatever your feelings on this topic, the fact remains that they are willing to harm US citizens for people who are in the country illegally. I thought you read a lot? (01-17-2018, 12:36 PM)GMDino Wrote: As you say, the Democrats are in the minority. Not much they can do but try to point out how bad an idea/bill/suggestion is. The GOP has control and can do as they please for the most part. But my question remains the same: Do I have to not try and stop a stupid thing simply because the party I belong to is in the minority? (01-17-2018, 12:46 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Of course "stupid" being subjective. I consider many/most of your posts to be stupid, I'm sure you don't. Oh, quite the contrary. I know I've posted stupid things. I know and admit I've been wrong, made mistakes, been confused, been corrected. I'd bet anyone who thinks "many/most" of my posts were stupid simply disagreed more often than not. Either way I'm not insulted or bothered by it. I am sure it is a waste of time and is certainly a waste of money that could be put to better use elsewhere. The majority agree with me. (01-17-2018, 12:46 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Again incorrect. Did you fail basic civics in high school? I ask because you seem rather ignorant of how Congress works. The GOP can't get their own members to vote for their own agenda and they want to blame the Democrats for not helping. That's adorable. (01-17-2018, 12:46 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: A typical maneuver of yours, accuse others of a tactic in an attempt to invalidate the entirety of their points. If you think I'm spinning with my straight-forward, factual, posts feel free to show how. No...this is opinion: (01-17-2018, 12:24 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: The bottom line is this, the Dems (the minority party in every regard) are, apparently, willing to shut down the federal government, an action that will hurt US citizens, because they aren't getting what they want on the subject of people who are in the country illegally. This is a fact, no amount of lipstick will make that pig any prettier. And it is spin. Your boy Trump doesn't care about anything except Trump looking good. And he wants that And he'll lie about who to blame just like he lies about almost everything else. RE: Lie: Democrats Say They're Deeply Concerned About Trump's 'Racism' On Immigration. - Dill - 01-18-2018 (01-17-2018, 12:36 PM)GMDino Wrote: But my question remains the same: Do we have to not try and stop a stupid thing simply because the party I belong to is in the minority? I believe he was saying something like that--but it's kind of unclear. Apparently we can criticize the opposing party's agenda, but we can't say they shouldn't pursue it. Some might think it hard to do one without implying the other. E.g., if Trump promised to relax regulations on flight safety, you could warn it would lead to higher incidence of air traffic fatalities, but you should not say he shouldn't pursue the policy. He won the election. That is a step too far. Somehow. RE: Lie: Democrats Say They're Deeply Concerned About Trump's 'Racism' On Immigration. - Dill - 01-18-2018 (01-17-2018, 01:30 PM)GMDino Wrote: The GOP can't get their own members to vote for their own agenda and they want to blame the Democrats for not helping. This is rather puzzling. The GOP controls both houses and the presidency. But people in this forum talk as if Democrats will get and deserve the blame for any budget obstruction. Are there any thoughtful Republican conservatives out there who can explain why Republicans do not control the government they own now? RE: Lie: Democrats Say They're Deeply Concerned About Trump's 'Racism' On Immigration. - GMDino - 01-18-2018 Those blasted DEMOCRATS! Making the POTUS tweet that if he doesn't get the wall there is no deal! Those DEMOCRATS are holding the government budget and DACA hostage by making Trump do this! It's all the DEMOCRATS fault! ![]() https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/01/18/trump-pushes-back-against-john-kelly-over-border-wall/1043328001/ Quote:Early Thursday, however, Trump was having none of it. He began tweeting at 6:15 a.m. that nothing has changed with the wall — including who will pay for it. RE: Lie: Democrats Say They're Deeply Concerned About Trump's 'Racism' On Immigration. - Belsnickel - 01-18-2018 (01-17-2018, 11:58 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: The Fixed that for you. I get what you're saying, but the fact here is that the Trump administration does not have a mandate to lead. He didn't win the popular vote and his approvals are in the toilet. But, I fully expect him to do whatever the hell he wants because he doesn't understand the job, so it doesn't much matter to me. I'm more irritated at Congress for their strong words behind closed doors but only finding him "concerning" in public. RE: Lie: Democrats Say They're Deeply Concerned About Trump's 'Racism' On Immigration. - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 01-18-2018 (01-18-2018, 12:13 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Fixed that for you. I get what you're saying, but the fact here is that the Trump administration does not have a mandate to lead. He didn't win the popular vote and his approvals are in the toilet. But, I fully expect him to do whatever the hell he wants because he doesn't understand the job, so it doesn't much matter to me. I'm more irritated at Congress for their strong words behind closed doors but only finding him "concerning" in public. Your fix would be correct if I was only talking about Trump. I was not, I was referring to the GOP controlled Congress as well. Whether Trump has a mandate or whether his approval ratings (which are likely as useful and accurate as the myriad polls that said he'd lose on election day) doesn't change the fact that he was elected and should attempt to effect his agenda for entirety of his term. The point I've been making is that the GOP is doing what they said they'd do, the Dems are minority party in every possible way and still conduct themselves as if they should get whatever they want however they want it. I'll reiterate, the Dems want to shut down the federal government, a move that will hurt US citizens, because they aren't getting exactly what they want for people in the country illegally. This isn't really disputable. |