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RE: Jersusalem "off the table" - StLucieBengal - 01-31-2018 (01-30-2018, 07:26 PM)Dill Wrote: Just two quick points, Lucy. Yeah I get your concerns. I just don’t have any interest in supporting a group who chooses criminals and terrorists as their leaders. No matter what happens that area and those people are better when those leaders are out of power. Until then it’s irrelevant in my opinion. I just do not care about the Palestinians as they are set up now. RE: Jersusalem "off the table" - StLucieBengal - 01-31-2018 (01-30-2018, 09:08 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: If the weapons we have today existed in the 18th and 19th centuries, this would be the US and with Native Americans being Palestinians. Welp. North America is certainly better off with us winning that tussle. So that just reinforces the one Israel led state position. The Indians assimilated just fine and I’m sure the Palestinians can as well. Or they can hoa. RE: Jersusalem "off the table" - Johnny Cupcakes - 01-31-2018 (01-31-2018, 12:05 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Welp. North America is certainly better off with us winning that tussle. So that just reinforces the one Israel led state position. This is one of the more out of touch with reality statements I’ve ever read on these boards. RE: Jersusalem "off the table" - StLucieBengal - 01-31-2018 (01-31-2018, 12:11 AM)Johnny Cupcakes Wrote: This is one of the more out of touch with reality statements I’ve ever read on these boards. North America is the home of the most successful nations who lead the world in almost all aspects. The British and Dutch colonists took a backwoods patch of land and made it into a world power and home of freedom. How is that out of touch? RE: Jersusalem "off the table" - Vas Deferens - 01-31-2018 (01-31-2018, 12:11 AM)Johnny Cupcakes Wrote: This is one of the more out of touch with reality statements I’ve ever read on these boards. ignorance is bliss RE: Jersusalem "off the table" - BmorePat87 - 01-31-2018 (01-31-2018, 12:05 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Welp. North America is certainly better off with us winning that tussle. So that just reinforces the one Israel led state position. Genocide is a-okay if the country that does it is one you support. RE: Jersusalem "off the table" - GMDino - 01-31-2018 (01-31-2018, 12:27 AM)Vas Deferens Wrote: ignorance is bliss I'm sure. (06-13-2016, 10:52 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Actually it's probably a good thing the Indians died out for the most part. Without them there was no need for tribal bickering. (01-29-2016, 01:55 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: (10-25-2015, 04:06 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: (11-11-2015, 09:11 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Haha right on schedule. (10-25-2015, 08:29 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: I don't agree with giving up land once it's conquered. To the victor goes the spoils. The exact same reason I give when anyone brings up the Indians. (07-28-2015, 10:46 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: (06-28-2015, 03:26 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: (06-28-2015, 05:43 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: And btw when I said where is the sympathy for the white man..... Was referring to the White men who died when the Asian diseases swept through europe . Basically the same thing that happened to the Indians when we came here.... No immunity had been built up. So it was common as people moved continent to continent.So if we stop backing Israel and they get run over and invaded its on them. ![]() RE: Jersusalem "off the table" - StLucieBengal - 01-31-2018 (01-31-2018, 10:05 AM)GMDino Wrote: I'm sure. Ah the old go back to 2015 posts. Obviously my position on the Indians hasn’t changed. Thanks for that trip down memory lane. RE: Jersusalem "off the table" - GMDino - 01-31-2018 (01-31-2018, 11:09 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Ah the old go back to 2015 posts. Obviously my position on the Indians hasn’t changed. Thanks for that trip down memory lane. Oh that's clear in the Cleveland Indians thread. Clearly your "position" is the same with Israel. Stop backing them and if they can't defend themselves we're better off. RE: Jersusalem "off the table" - Johnny Cupcakes - 01-31-2018 (01-31-2018, 10:05 AM)GMDino Wrote: I'm sure. Wow...those quotes are crazy. Thankfully, this thinking comes from a very small minority of simple individuals. RE: Jersusalem "off the table" - StLucieBengal - 01-31-2018 (01-31-2018, 11:12 AM)GMDino Wrote: Oh that's clear in the Cleveland Indians thread. Israel is actually making that region better. The Palestinians are just creating shanty towns and living like animals with a blood thirst. The British and Dutch colonists actually made this continent better. Had the Indians been left to their own devices North America would not be the international power center it is today. You can feel all the sympathy you like for Palestinians and Indians but the fact is the world is a better place because British and Dutch colonists pushes forward and the West Bank region will Be Better off if Israel pushed forward. RE: Jersusalem "off the table" - Dill - 01-31-2018 (01-31-2018, 12:05 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Welp. North America is certainly better off with us winning that tussle. So that just reinforces the one Israel led state position. I think some of the Indians died during that assimilation period, didn't they, trying to defend their land or something? Some were enslaved too, which is maybe a good way to learn the White Man's way. You would have to learn English and maybe become Christian. Indians, with their terrorist leaders, saw it otherwise, though. I lived for a number of years on the Crow Reservation in Montana, by the way, where things are still going great! People still argue whether it was wrong to take Indian land by force or whether they deserved to lose it because they weren't really using the land to farm. The problem in both cases--Palestinian and Native American--is that there are all these liberals around making a big human rights ruckus every time a nation with a more powerful military robs another nation. They did it when the Nazis invaded other countries and took their stuff. Now they are doing it when the Israelis rob Palestinians. If people would just agree to drop the whole notion that all people are naturally equal and deserving of the same rights to property then we would get this Palestinian thing settled once and for all. Maybe some other things too. E.g., Why did God put our oil under their land? We could set that to rights in a heartbeat. RE: Jersusalem "off the table" - StLucieBengal - 01-31-2018 (01-31-2018, 03:46 PM)Dill Wrote: I think some of the Indians died during that assimilation period, didn't they, trying to defend their land or something? Some were enslaved too, which is maybe a good way to learn the White Man's way. You would have to learn English and maybe become Christian. Indians, with their terrorist leaders, saw it otherwise, though. Trying to compare the British and Dutch colonists and Israelies to the Nazi’s is beyond jumping the shark. The Palestinians aren’t being robbed by anyone other than their elected leaders. And the colonists just took land and actually built something great with it, yes they did violate some agreements, but we are all here today with Indians in the greatest country in the world. Indians even have their own land where they can take all the Americans money tax free from their casinos. I’m sure a lot of Americans would appreciate the opportunity that Indians have to put up these casinos. Not to mention getting preferred treatment on applications, etc. Palestinian situation could be settled quickly. Join an Israel one state. Just as the Indians Settled in with us. Who knows maybe the Palestinians will get some tax free casinos. Btw none of what I have suggested above is a violation of anyone’s human rights. RE: Jersusalem "off the table" - GMDino - 01-31-2018 (01-31-2018, 04:12 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Trying to compare the British and Dutch colonists and Israelies to the Nazi’s is beyond jumping the shark. Sure. What's a little land theft and broken treaties among friends...right? (01-31-2018, 04:12 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: ...but we are all here today with Indians in the greatest country in the world. We're in Mother Russia? (01-31-2018, 04:12 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Indians even have their own land where they can take all the Americans money tax free from their casinos. I’m sure a lot of Americans would appreciate the opportunity that Indians have to put up these casinos. Not to mention getting preferred treatment on applications, etc. Lucky *******s! They lost their country and freedom but they can run casinos! Whoo-hoo! ![]() (01-31-2018, 04:12 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Palestinian situation could be settled quickly. Join an Israel one state. Just as the Indians Settled in with us. Who knows maybe the Palestinians will get some tax free casinos. The total lack of compassion combined with a twisted sense of right and wrong (and history) astounds me frankly. RE: Jersusalem "off the table" - Dill - 01-31-2018 (01-31-2018, 04:12 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Trying to compare the British and Dutch colonists and Israelies to the Nazi’s is beyond jumping the shark. Lucy, sounds like you are saying it is ok to steal land from others if you do something you think "better" with it. Did I hear you right? I am guessing you don't know a lot about reservation politics, based upon your casino comments. But somehow you have "heard" a lot about all the freebies first peoples get? People pay them for just sitting around? The Palestinians elected leaders did not drive them out of Palestine and take their land. Jewish immigrants from Europe did that in 1947, 56, and 67. Israel is an ethnic, settler state. They do not want Palestinians to join their citizenry and gain voting rights. Any Jew from anywhere in the world has a "right of return," but not Palestinians. Taking people's land by force is a violation of human rights. You would certainly think so if the Israelis took your property and made "something better" out of it. BTW When you support taking people's land by force because the takers can make more money that way--as you do with native Americans and Palestinians--then you indeed support the violation of their human rights. You are saying might makes right, and you defend the "right" of the powerful to take what they can from the innocent. RE: Jersusalem "off the table" - StLucieBengal - 01-31-2018 (01-31-2018, 04:28 PM)GMDino Wrote: Sure. What's a little land theft and broken treaties among friends...right? 1. It happened can’t change it now. And really he works would be quite different had it not went the way it did. Probably speaking German or Russian at this point and waiting in line for a bag of potatos. 2. Actually the Russians were here before the Indians. Siberian’s were here and slaughtered and ran out but Indians. 3. The ability to basically print money makes them quite formidable. 4. Why is there a need to show compassion here? I obviously do not want people slaughtered. Just because I don’t feel the need to post how much compassion I have for (insert group here) doesn’t mean that I want them dead. I do not feel the need to spend three posts first saying how badly I feel for (insert group of people) when these threads come up. I don’t know anyone here who favors mass killings. And I don’t know anyone here who doesn’t feel sorry or bad for those groups who have Been slighted. The fact is that it doesn’t do them or anyone any good by trying to go back play armchair qb. I am more interested in the topic going forward I am not interested in virtue signaling to everyone else on the board that I am checking the box of being sufficiently pro whatever Group who is claiming to be slighted at the time. RE: Jersusalem "off the table" - StLucieBengal - 01-31-2018 (01-31-2018, 04:37 PM)Dill Wrote: Lucy, sounds like you are saying it is ok to steal land from others if you do something you think "better" with it. Did I hear you right? I am well aware of reservations. We have several around here and I have done business with them often over the yearsZ. So yes my perception on reservations are certainly limited to my experiences here in south Florida. The powerful taking from the “innocent” has been happening the entire history of the world. If you can’t defend what you have you will lose it. And I have made my position clear on the Palestinians. Until they choose different leaders I really do not care what happens to them. They reap what they sow and when you lay with dogs you get fleas. If they choose more reasonable leadership then I will take a fresh look at the situation. Outside of that I am pretty set. Arabs live in Israel already. They are overwhelmingly Palestinian. So I know they can live and thrive within an Israel state. RE: Jersusalem "off the table" - Dill - 01-31-2018 (01-31-2018, 04:55 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: I am well aware of reservations. We have several around here and I have done business with them often over the yearsZ. So yes my perception on reservations are certainly limited to my experiences here in south Florida. Israeli-Arabs don't "thrive" there. They are an ethnic minority in an ethnic state. And Israeli citizenship doesn't prevent their property from being appropriated too. Israeli laws are designed to favor Jewish over Arab citizens of Israel. The purpose of law, state, national and international, is to prevent the powerful from taking from the innocent. Now millions of innocent people DON'T lose their property because the law protects them. If I steal your car and end in court, it will not be a suitable defense if I tell the judge that "taking from the innocent has been happening the entire history of the world and if Lucy can't defend what he has he will lose it." The judge will decide that I have violated your rights, return your car, and put me in prison. And that is the point of law--to stop what has been happening "the entire history of the world." Your position on Palestinian leadership is still rather unclear to me. It is clear you don't like them. But it is not clear why you think they are terrorists or have behaved badly, as opposed to Israeli leadership. Also, even if they did behave badly, that would give Israel no legal right to take the land of their people, any more than if you behave badly it gives me the right to take your car. Israel behaving badly doesn't lower them in your estimation. double standard. RE: Jersusalem "off the table" - StLucieBengal - 01-31-2018 (01-31-2018, 06:21 PM)Dill Wrote: Israeli-Arabs don't "thrive" there. They are an ethnic minority in an ethnic state. And Israeli citizenship doesn't prevent their property from being appropriated too. Israeli laws are designed to favor Jewish over Arab citizens of Israel. That’s pretty clear on Abbas http://freebeacon.com/politics/lifestyles-of-the-rich-and-palestinian/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/ex-pa-minister-says-he-quit-over-rampant-corruption-in-ramallah/ https://www.haaretz.com/whdcMobileSite/israel-news/.premium-corrupt-pa-officials-too-comfortable-to-resist-occupation-1.5429545 https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-tough-times-most-palestinians-view-government-as-corrupt/ https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2017/01/israel-west-bank-hamas-benjamin-netanyahu-journalism.html Quote:No journalists in Gaza — no matter how senior — would even think of criticizing the leaders of Hamas, and in the Palestinian Authority (PA), criticism of any kind against President Mahmoud Abbas, or exposure of corruption in the PA, could result in the journalist’s arrest. That’s just a few links when I searched palestinians corruption. RE: Jersusalem "off the table" - GMDino - 01-31-2018 This was a good listen today. https://www.npr.org/2018/01/31/582099085/journalist-details-israels-secret-history-of-targeted-assassinations Quote:Journalist Details Israel's 'Secret History' Of Targeted Assassinations Long read / listen but very interesting. Glad they are "our" side with such a program. ![]() |