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RE: We need to learn Christian forgiveness and look past Trump's past actions! - Belsnickel - 03-28-2018 (03-28-2018, 02:19 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Had we been aggressively enforcing the immigration policy none of these people would have fallen through the cracks to the point these hard decisions must be made. wasn't he a legal permanent resident, though? RE: We need to learn Christian forgiveness and look past Trump's past actions! - michaelsean - 03-28-2018 (03-28-2018, 02:21 PM)Griever Wrote: nope, christianity (religion in general) has no place in the political spectrum So what solution are you looking for and from whom? Because the only solution I see is for them to stop being hypocrites as you label them, and allow this man to stay in the country because it's the Christian thing to do. RE: We need to learn Christian forgiveness and look past Trump's past actions! - StLucieBengal - 03-28-2018 (03-28-2018, 02:22 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: wasn't he a legal permanent resident, though? A felony can forfeit his LPR status. I will check on that now and edit as necessary Edit: http://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/us-immigration/legal-issues-renewing-green-card-felony-conviction.html Quote:If you are a U.S. lawful permanent resident and have been convicted of a felony -- or indeed any crime -- renewing your green card will put you at risk of removal from the U.S. (deportation). That doesn't mean you shouldn't try to renew the card. It expires every ten years, and you are legally obligated to carry a valid green card with you at all times. But you should absolutely consult with an attorney before submitting your renewal application. Here's why. This is also interesting. Looking for it on USCIS now. http://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/us-immigration/can-i-lose-green-card-and-be-deported.html RE: We need to learn Christian forgiveness and look past Trump's past actions! - GMDino - 03-28-2018 (03-28-2018, 02:24 PM)michaelsean Wrote: So what solution are you looking for and from whom? Because the only solution I see is for them to stop being hypocrites as you label them, and allow this man to stay in the country because it's the Christian thing to do. The bold is the best part. RE: We need to learn Christian forgiveness and look past Trump's past actions! - GMDino - 03-28-2018 (03-28-2018, 02:19 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Had we been aggressively enforcing the immigration policy none of these people would have fallen through the cracks to the point these hard decisions must be made. So you would have kicked this man out crime or no crime. Despite him doing more this country than your or me. What a world. RE: We need to learn Christian forgiveness and look past Trump's past actions! - StLucieBengal - 03-28-2018 (03-28-2018, 02:44 PM)GMDino Wrote: So you would have kicked this man out crime or no crime. Despite him doing more this country than your or me. Me personally? My own feelings are based on the law. If he had LPR then no. But his crimes forfeited his LPR status. So at that point he should Be deported. RE: We need to learn Christian forgiveness and look past Trump's past actions! - michaelsean - 03-28-2018 (03-28-2018, 02:42 PM)GMDino Wrote: The bold is the best part. How do you suggest they do this? What do you think they should do as Christians? And btw, the group who reviews these are given discretion. So give the solution. The law says this guy can deported under the discretion of a board. They chose to deport him. What should the Christian nation that you don't want to be a Christian nation do? RE: We need to learn Christian forgiveness and look past Trump's past actions! - Belsnickel - 03-28-2018 (03-28-2018, 02:36 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: A felony can forfeit his LPR status. I will check on that now and edit as necessary So it is quite possible that his deportation is completely in line with the law. My guess, and I haven't read too in depth on this, is that his green card was up for renewal and he decided to apply for citizenship instead. However, conviction would not have led to deportation according to your link, it would've just been delayed until renewal. RE: We need to learn Christian forgiveness and look past Trump's past actions! - GMDino - 03-28-2018 (03-28-2018, 02:46 PM)michaelsean Wrote: How do you suggest they do this? What do you think they should do as Christians? And btw, the group who reviews these are given discretion. I think they should stop trying to BS people and actually ACT like Christians versus just SAYING they are Christians. Pretty simple really. And we'd all be better off. A Christian nation, heck even a RATIONAL nation, would look at a man who did two tours serving his country, one who committed a crime but was serving his punishment and bettering himself, and made him a citizen of the country he defended. Instead we have leaders who care more about showing how they are making their scared constituency "safe" that they will follow the letter of the law no matter what as long as they can say they got another "illegal" out of the greatest country God ever created. Clear? RE: We need to learn Christian forgiveness and look past Trump's past actions! - michaelsean - 03-28-2018 (03-28-2018, 03:04 PM)GMDino Wrote: I think they should stop trying to BS people and actually ACT like Christians versus just SAYING they are Christians. Pretty simple really. And we'd all be better off. No not clear. You give these vague answers to a concrete situation. What is your solution in this case. Their is no letter of the law as you put it. There is discretion, and even with that discretion, they chose to deport him. So what do you want all the Christians to do about it? What is the mechanism at their disposal? RE: We need to learn Christian forgiveness and look past Trump's past actions! - StLucieBengal - 03-28-2018 (03-28-2018, 02:48 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: So it is quite possible that his deportation is completely in line with the law. My guess, and I haven't read too in depth on this, is that his green card was up for renewal and he decided to apply for citizenship instead. However, conviction would not have led to deportation according to your link, it would've just been delayed until renewal. Looks like the caught him during renewal. Or maybe he lost his card. RE: We need to learn Christian forgiveness and look past Trump's past actions! - bfine32 - 03-28-2018 (03-28-2018, 02:21 PM)Griever Wrote: nope, christianity (religion in general) has no place in the political spectrum Nothing in this thread has shown hypocrisy in anyone. It has shown where some will try to make a feeble correlation in an attempt to show hypocrisy but have failed miserably. The story in and of itself has legs; however, the correlation of this matter with Christian forgiveness is as Matt said 'just trolling". RE: We need to learn Christian forgiveness and look past Trump's past actions! - Nebuchadnezzar - 03-28-2018 So what you're saying is that we don't have to follow laws anymore and that we can just do whatever we want. Oh I see, we have to follow the laws that you think are necessary but those you think, YOU THINK, are unjust we should just toss out or disregard. RE: We need to learn Christian forgiveness and look past Trump's past actions! - Belsnickel - 03-28-2018 (03-28-2018, 03:20 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Looks like the caught him during renewal. Or maybe he lost his card. What I am saying is it looks like the system is intended to catch them during renewal and not to automatically deport them. RE: We need to learn Christian forgiveness and look past Trump's past actions! - GMDino - 03-28-2018 (03-28-2018, 03:15 PM)michaelsean Wrote: No not clear. You give these vague answers to a concrete situation. What is your solution in this case. (03-28-2018, 03:04 PM)GMDino Wrote: I think they should stop trying to BS people and actually ACT like Christians versus just SAYING they are Christians. Pretty simple really. And we'd all be better off. Completely clear. (03-28-2018, 03:15 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Their is no letter of the law as you put it. There is discretion, and even with that discretion, they chose to deport him. So what do you want all the Christians to do about it? What is the mechanism at their disposal? Try to read the post again. ![]() RE: We need to learn Christian forgiveness and look past Trump's past actions! - HarleyDog - 03-28-2018 (03-28-2018, 01:59 PM)Griever Wrote: we all know christians cherry pick the bible...if they didnt, they would have to be ok with foreigners in the US (legal status doesnt matter either) Much like you cherry pick 2 versus to make a point? Read the whole thing then come back and give us a full report. RE: We need to learn Christian forgiveness and look past Trump's past actions! - StLucieBengal - 03-28-2018 (03-28-2018, 03:28 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: What I am saying is it looks like the system is intended to catch them during renewal and not to automatically deport them. Yes but if he had other pending stuff going on it would have popped up. Probably had a request to remove conditions ongoing. That would have flagged him. If he was auto deport he would have been deported long ago. RE: We need to learn Christian forgiveness and look past Trump's past actions! - GMDino - 03-28-2018 (03-28-2018, 03:30 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: Much like you cherry pick 2 versus to make a point? Read the whole thing then come back and give us a full report. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+19&version=NIV Quote:Various Laws Sooooo.....are we supposed to ignore those two verses for some reason? RE: We need to learn Christian forgiveness and look past Trump's past actions! - michaelsean - 03-28-2018 (03-28-2018, 03:29 PM)GMDino Wrote: Still no solution. What do you want done, and who do you want to do it? RE: We need to learn Christian forgiveness and look past Trump's past actions! - bfine32 - 03-28-2018 (03-28-2018, 04:00 PM)GMDino Wrote: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+19&version=NIV I'll admit I'm Christian but I do clip the edges of my beard, WTS, Leviticus is in the old testament, that's more of a Jewish/hebrew thing than a Christian one. But to the scripture I am against anyone mistreating a foreigner in our land, but if the law of man says they must go, then they must go and from what i understand we do so in a humane fashion. Bottom line is this thread tries to create a correlation where none exists and is feeble in nature, but as long as you are willing to continue to bury yourself, I have no problem helping out with the dirt. |