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RE: Question for all you Pro Life people - bfine32 - 05-21-2019 (05-21-2019, 12:05 AM)Vas Deferens Wrote: Just wondering how many years in jail you would give this poor woman. Glad the law is so well thought out. I wouldn't give her any years. But I'm flattered you continue to make me the focus. I must mean a lot to you. RE: Question for all you Pro Life people - Vas Deferens - 05-21-2019 (05-21-2019, 12:08 AM)bfine32 Wrote: I wouldn't give her any years. But I'm flattered you continue to make me the focus. All Lives Matter RE: Question for all you Pro Life people - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 05-21-2019 (05-20-2019, 11:33 PM)bfine32 Wrote: It means a pregnancy cannot be terminated after 6 weeks and they use the same definition doctors do. The heart starts to beat during week 5. So I assume week 6 guideline is used to cover those that became pregnant late in the week. Are you using gestational age or fetal age? Because there are two ways of measuring. Let me guess; I'm trying to hard again by posting facts? I would say it would depend upon what language was used in the bill. I would bet the author(s) of the bill doesn't(don't) even know the difference between gestational age and fetal age. I would also bet the method used to measure the age probably varies from state to state. RE: Question for all you Pro Life people - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 05-21-2019 (05-20-2019, 10:27 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: I have a relatively unrelated question for pro-life people. People react to miscarriage differently. But, I hope you and your wife are well. https://reference.medscape.com/article/266317-overview#showall Quote:The overall miscarriage rate is reported as 15-20%, which means 15-20% of recognized pregnancies result in miscarriage. What you described is in many cases a miscarriage of a pregnancy so early it isn't recognized as a pregnancy which is why the true rate is actually greater than the reported rate. RE: Question for all you Pro Life people - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 05-21-2019 (05-20-2019, 11:45 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: I heard an interview the other day where an AL rep essentially said he was absolutely sure a doc could tell the difference between a miscarriage and an abortion. Guess what? Not so easy. The medical term for miscarriage is spontaneous abortion so looks like God is going to be serving a lot of time in jail in Alabama since he planned all of them. Talk about your planned parenthood. RE: Question for all you Pro Life people - CJD - 05-21-2019 (05-21-2019, 02:07 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: People react to miscarriage differently. But, I hope you and your wife are well. It was a set back, for sure. But my primary point was I have my doubts that the people drafting these bills actually have an understanding of the timeline for pregnancies. Saying you're 6 weeks pregnant does not mean the fetus has existed for 6 weeks. It's basically just a best guess because there's no way to pinpoint the date between the two period dates that the fertilization occurred. Calling a 6 week pregnancy 6 weeks is merely a formality. My wife and I were tracking her ovulation cycle, so we have a pretty good idea (within a week) or when we believe fertilization occurred, but measured from that point she was probably only about 3 to 4 weeks pregnant when the miscarriage occurred. And we didn't even schedule a doctor's appointment until the 8th week mark because the doctor told us that they likely wouldn't even be able to find the heart beat until then. So this whole 6 weeks = heart beat thing is not clear to me. Is that based on fetal age or gestational age? From my (brief) experience with it, it seems like the heart beat begins, at best, at 6 weeks fetal age. But the bill appears to be based on 6 weeks gestational age. There are some Republicans who say that the 6 week time frame is more than enough time to get an abortion from the time the woman finds out to the 6 week mark. But even when we were trying, my wife and I only really found out around 5 weeks. If we weren't trying, my wife could have easily thought her period was just late that month, for whatever reason. For women not trying to get pregnant, 6 weeks seems like they have virtually no room for error. So the day after a missed period, they need to go get a pregnancy test and schedule that abortion, or else they're trapped for 40 weeks... This just doesn't seem practical to me and it reeks of bad intentions. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding the bill. RE: Question for all you Pro Life people - Vas Deferens - 05-21-2019 (05-21-2019, 02:11 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: The medical term for miscarriage is spontaneous abortion so looks like God is going to be serving a lot of time in jail in Alabama since he planned all of them. Talk about your planned parenthood. Wait, Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn’t really think all life is precious? There couldn’t possibly be some other determining factors other than sheer faith involved, right? How come that lady who preyed the tornado away doesn’t just put her index fingers on her temples and make the abortion man go away? RE: Question for all you Pro Life people - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 05-21-2019 (05-21-2019, 07:45 AM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: It was a set back, for sure. The intent of these bills is to make it before the Supreme Court in an attempt to overturn Roe vs. Wade. RE: Question for all you Pro Life people - GMDino - 05-21-2019 (05-21-2019, 07:45 AM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: It was a set back, for sure. There is no "heartbeat" as there is no "heart"...at least not at 5 weeks. Or 6. Or (maybe) 19. https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=167987 Quote:Human fetuses have a regular heartbeat beginning at about 22 days of pregnancy, which is one reason why the researchers were surprised to find that there is little organization of human heart cells until 20 weeks of pregnancy. Again, not a vote FOR abortions, but if we are going to discuss it at least we should be honest. At 6 weeks there is no heart, no brain, no organs...there is the soup of cells that will become all that. Hopefully. And, again, I don't believe any of the people who write and vote for bills like the ones in question know or care. They want votes and to please their sky daddy. No matter what else they do in their private lives they have to pretend they are "good christians" in public. RE: Question for all you Pro Life people - Vas Deferens - 05-21-2019 how do we punish the morbidly overweight constituents of AL who are slowly aborting themselves. Flying Spaghetti Monster says all life is precious. RE: Question for all you Pro Life people - Benton - 05-21-2019 As a friendly reminder, don't let things get personal. If you can't discuss the issue instead of other posters, pick one of the other topics to post on. RE: Question for all you Pro Life people - GMDino - 05-21-2019 (05-21-2019, 10:44 AM)Vas Deferens Wrote: how do we punish the morbidly overweight constituents of AL who are slowly aborting themselves. Ramen. RE: Question for all you Pro Life people - Vas Deferens - 05-21-2019 (05-21-2019, 01:21 PM)GMDino Wrote: Ramen. seitan ramen RE: Question for all you Pro Life people - CJD - 05-21-2019 I personally think Religion is a bad basis for modern laws, mainly because so much of society has changed in the last ~2000+ years and the way they treated people, especially women, back then shouldn't even be referenced in regards to today, let alone be used as a model. But you can't really change the mind of a religious person by telling them that, so I try to find a common ground that both parties can relate to. It's hard though. Religion, by its very nature, is a character defining trait in any person who believes in it, so trying to explain to them why something that they base their lives off of may not be the best and most applicable thing to a situation that has real life day to day consequences on women in today's world almost invariably comes off as an attack on them as a person. Makes for really difficult debate. You can't really prove or disprove religious beliefs, after all. They are based on faith, not logic or reason. RE: Question for all you Pro Life people - fredtoast - 05-21-2019 (05-20-2019, 08:04 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: First off, I made no reference to the passage and it was all about the picture. Two points. First, I did not know you believed your soul is created in the depths of the earth. That is very Wiccan of you. Second, Even God agrees that the book of "Days ordained for me" does not start before the baby is born. RE: Question for all you Pro Life people - bfine32 - 05-21-2019 (05-21-2019, 04:03 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: I personally think Religion is a bad basis for modern laws, mainly because so much of society has changed in the last ~2000+ years and the way they treated people, especially women, back then shouldn't even be referenced in regards to today, let alone be used as a model. I agree and you should direct your concern to the OP. My position on abortion has 0 to do with religious beliefs. I do believe it is a sin to take one of God's creations simply for your convenience, but that's a personal belief and one I speak directly with God about. Because I too sin. My overt stance has always been about taking an innocent life and the rights of the father. RE: Question for all you Pro Life people - Arturo Bandini - 05-21-2019 It's funny to read people saying what God wants or not ( if fact, this is just what they want ). If men are so mad about abortion, they should give the example and get a vasectomy. BTW, it's easy for a man who just can have sex with a woman and go away the very next day impregnanting a woman who will keep the baby for the rest of her life. How fair it is ? RE: Question for all you Pro Life people - bfine32 - 05-21-2019 (05-21-2019, 06:08 PM)Arturo Bandini Wrote: It's funny to read people saying what God wants or not ( if fact, this is just what they want ). Yet the only ones bringing religion into the discussion are Pro Choicers. Do you know why that is? Because it's easier to argue against religion than it is the taking of a life. As to your question: Not fair at all, but guess what he's required by law to do if identified? He has no choice, RE: Question for all you Pro Life people - fredtoast - 05-21-2019 (05-21-2019, 06:35 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Yet the only ones bringing religion into the discussion are Pro Choicers. Do you know why that is? Because it's easier to argue against religion than it is the taking of a life. I didn't realize how poorly educated you were on this issue. The reason we bring religion into the issue is because the religious right are obsessed with abortion. Almost all of the Pro Life movement is tied to the church. So maybe you should educate yourself little more instead of looking stupid for accusing the Pro Choicers of making this about religion. RE: Question for all you Pro Life people - Arturo Bandini - 05-21-2019 (05-21-2019, 06:35 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Yet the only ones bringing religion into the discussion are Pro Choicers. Do you know why that is? Because it's easier to argue against religion than it is the taking of a life. One day someone may succeed to explain to me what God has to do with any religion. |