(12-04-2019, 08:00 AM)Wyche Wrote: Jets also played without their starting QB for over a month, played with 3rd string QB Luke Falk for a few games, but you keep glossing over that fact for some reason.

Since Darnold has returned to the lineup, their offense has improved. Gee, I wonder why?

The Raiders scored 3 against the number 7 defense in the league, the Jets. They scored 9 against the 16th points allowed D...coupled with the number 3 offense that doesn't allow you on the field very much in KC, and 10 against our improving defense. But hey, why delve into any numbers when you have an agenda to push?

It won't kill you to admit the team is beginning to show signs of life even though it's much too late. Go on, try a *little* bit of positivity and see if the sky falls.  

(12-04-2019, 12:14 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: It took 12 weeks to actually resemble an NFL team. 12 weeks!

(12-04-2019, 12:51 PM)depthchart Wrote: They played very well against Seattle in week 1.

Field goal loss to Arizona (but it was Arizona)

Lost by 4 to what is turning out to be a Solid Bills team.

Gave Oakland a "bit" of a scare in Oakland with Finley at QB.

A long way to go but NFL Teams can improve a lot year over year if proper moves are made.  A Big if though with this Franchise...

I still have some Hope for Zac but he will have to pound the Table for certain players & ideas to influence Front Office Culture.

(12-04-2019, 12:14 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: The Dolphins won this week. The Redskins won. The bad teams are all looking better.

We're 1-11. Our positivity is not going 0-16. You know that Bengals management is thinking the EXACT same thing as your post. Like we put things together.

It took 12 weeks to actually resemble an NFL team. 12 weeks!

(12-04-2019, 02:23 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: We're 1-11. The WORST record in the NFL.

In Dave Shula's rookie year, he won 5 games and lost another 5 by 7 points or less.

In the NFL, you either win or lose. You don't count close losses.

Plus, against the Bills and I believe Cards...we barely moved the ball in the 1st half. Terrible performances.

(12-04-2019, 02:23 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: We're 1-11. The WORST record in the NFL.

In Dave Shula's rookie year, he won 5 games and lost another 5 by 7 points or less.

In the NFL, you either win or lose. You don't count close losses.

Plus, against the Bills and I believe Cards...we barely moved the ball in the 1st half. Terrible performances.

(12-04-2019, 02:38 PM)depthchart Wrote: You mentioned them not resembling an NFL team for 12 weeks but they definitely resembled one in week 1 versus Seattle.

I agree that the Pendulum has swung far to the bad side in 2019 but not to the extreme "not competitive at all or ever" point.

I personally think that hopeful signs can be found in close losses (against playoff caliber teams especially)

Maybe at times the Bengals have resembled an NFL team in 2019 but not as often or consistently as we would hope.

(12-04-2019, 02:42 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: So we resembled an NFL team twice all year?

I posted numbers earlier comparing this years team to the 1993 team. We didn't get beat by 40 points every game in 1993 either. In fact, the margin of defeat was fairly close.

The bottom line is we are the worst team in the league. You can find whatever hope you want in that, but tanking teams like the Dolphins have 3 wins.

(12-03-2019, 07:50 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: You just gotta think that teams like the Redskins, Jets, Browns, Bears and others would likely see him as a great HC option.

(12-04-2019, 03:09 PM)depthchart Wrote: You are Preaching to the Choir here for the most part.

The issue will be whether they Remain the worst team in the League going forward.

You seem to imply a hopelessness going forward.

Zac jumped in with both feet having little experience with a deficient Roster, a New inexperienced Staff and they got pummeled.

Now lets see what he can do as he gains experience and recalibrates the Roster/Staff going forward.

If there are no Silver linings anywhere to be found in virtually any game in 2019 then they will likely remain doormats.

If they do NOT remain doormats going forward then we may look back at 2019 and see those few flakes of Silver with hind site.

(12-04-2019, 03:47 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I don't think the situation is hopeless...but I feel like IF say they finish the year 3-2...they may decide to just use the draft and stand pat on free agency and ride that 3-2 finish to an 11-5 record next year. I feel like this is a highly likely scenario.

As a previous poster mentioned...we are 6-9 starters away. We'll be lucky to get 2 in the next draft. So you have to fill the other spots.


We need to make roster improvements and maybe some coaching changes.

I think what you will see is that teams like the Bengals, Redskins, and Dolphins are all playing better at the end of the year. That happens when teams are eliminated and play lose. Seems like every year.

(12-04-2019, 04:05 PM)depthchart Wrote: Generally standing pat and Drafting is this Organization's comfort zone.

Zac may not realize that his biggest Win may have to be him Influencing changes to how the Bengals handle the offseason.

He needs to ruffle Mike & Duke's feathers for certain changes to have his best chance at success.

(12-04-2019, 04:16 PM)3wt Wrote: Unfortunately he's not in a position to ruffle anybody's anything...

(12-03-2019, 06:37 PM)pally Wrote: The defense has shown signs of life over the last couple of weeks. Hey, they've moved from 32 to 31 in total defense.  But Ron Rivera has just be fired from the Panthers  Assuming he doesn't get another HC gig,  which he is likely to get. I can't help but think he would be an upgrade over Lou.

(12-04-2019, 04:05 PM)depthchart Wrote: Generally standing pat and Drafting is this Organization's comfort zone.

Zac may not realize that his biggest Win may have to be him Influencing changes to how the Bengals handle the offseason.

He needs to ruffle Mike & Duke's feathers for certain changes to have his best chance at success.

(12-04-2019, 03:28 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: You would think we would too...

(12-04-2019, 05:54 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: I don't think he's gonna have to ruffle any feathers. I believe they are behind him 100%, and know that this season he wasn't ready with staff/players/FA's etc, they did the same with Marvin in his first year. Got him FA's that he wanted and for the next couple years to. They will do the same for Zac now that he's got his feet wet. Also how many coaches did Marvin have to hire to start his tenure? Not to many, then slowly he picked and chose his own. Big difference.