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RE: Burrows Rookie Year Compares to...<drumroll please> - jj22 - 12-18-2020

(12-18-2020, 02:44 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I think Burrow needed ever snap he could get to learn and get better.  He has great potential but he is from a finished product.  He has a lot he needs to improve.

I think Burrow is far closer to a finished product then people realize. It isn't like we took a red shirt sophomore at the age of 21 1OA.

Burrow is a grown man by NFL QB terms. Older than many of the up and coming darling QB's we see in the league now.

No shade thrown at Burrow. I think we can win with him as is. But expecting a leap like you would a 21 year old rookie to their 24 year old year isn't likely and unrealistic.


RE: Burrows Rookie Year Compares to...<drumroll please> - J24 - 12-18-2020

He reminds me more of Andrew Luck than Mariota.


RE: Burrows Rookie Year Compares to...<drumroll please> - jj22 - 12-18-2020

From the beating he took maybe.


RE: Burrows Rookie Year Compares to...<drumroll please> - GreenCornBengal - 12-18-2020

I’d be more worried about the deep ball if I didn’t witness drops on perfectly thrown deep passes throughout this year. AJ, Sample, Higgins all dropped some perfectly thrown deep passes that would’ve helped his numbers. Joe has work to do to improve there, but I don’t think it’s a lack of ability to do it.


RE: Burrows Rookie Year Compares to...<drumroll please> - Wyche'sWarrior - 12-18-2020

(12-18-2020, 12:13 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I think it speaks to Burrows need for coaching. Some fans think that Burrow will come in and make Taylor succeed. QB's, not matter how good of a prospect need to be in the right system.

Putting Burrow in a system where throws take a long time to develop behind a bad offensive line is not that system for him.


Agreed, but the 5 wide sets are what Joe likes. We just don't have the line to execute it. Coaching leaves a lot to be desired as well.


RE: Burrows Rookie Year Compares to...<drumroll please> - jj22 - 12-18-2020

(12-18-2020, 04:13 PM)Wyche Wrote: Agreed, but the 5 wide sets are what Joe likes. We just don't have the line to execute it. Coaching leaves a lot to be desired as well.

Is it that we don't have the line to execute (we don't). Or is the bigger issue we aren't in a division where a finesse offense like that will work against our "rivals". That's my fear. We have to be competitive in our physical division first an foremost.


RE: Burrows Rookie Year Compares to...<drumroll please> - THE PISTONS - 12-18-2020

(12-18-2020, 02:34 PM)RiverRat13 Wrote: Goodberry is mainly countering the idea that Joe had an all-time rookie season (which people have Tweeted to him).  He had a very good rookie season, but it was by no means unprecedented.

He threw 13 TD passes. That is nowhere near an all-time rookie season.

He couldn't complete deep passes either. His stats look good because they threw A LOT of passes.


RE: Burrows Rookie Year Compares to...<drumroll please> - THE PISTONS - 12-18-2020

(12-18-2020, 05:11 PM)jj22 Wrote: Is it that we don't have the line to execute (we don't). Or is the bigger issue we aren't in a division where a finesse offense like that will work against our "rivals". That's my fear. We have to be competitive in our physical division first an foremost.

We're literally outcoached and out game-planned in every game we're in within our division.


RE: Burrows Rookie Year Compares to...<drumroll please> - HarleyDog - 12-18-2020

(12-18-2020, 05:16 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: We're literally outcoached and out game-planned in every game we're in within our division.

I agree. And TBH, I think a lot of the success we've seen on the field with Burrow was audibled. 


RE: Burrows Rookie Year Compares to...<drumroll please> - Nicomo Cosca - 12-18-2020

(12-18-2020, 03:42 PM)GreenCornBengal Wrote: I’d be more worried about the deep ball if I didn’t witness drops on perfectly thrown deep passes throughout this year. AJ, Sample, Higgins all dropped some perfectly thrown deep passes that would’ve helped his numbers. Joe has work to do to improve there, but I don’t think it’s a lack of ability to do it.

It’s for sure not a lack of ability. He threw plenty of gorgeous deep balls at LSU. Especially to Chase.

(12-18-2020, 05:13 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: He threw 13 TD passes. That is nowhere near an all-time rookie season.

He couldn't complete deep passes either. His stats look good because they threw A LOT of passes.

His stats look good because he’s super accurate and has great ball placement. Not every rookie can go out there and complete 65.3% of their passes. For comparison the year before Murray completed 64.4% and he won OROY.


RE: Burrows Rookie Year Compares to...<drumroll please> - jason - 12-18-2020

(12-18-2020, 03:30 PM)jj22 Wrote: I think Burrow is far closer to a finished product then people realize. It isn't like we took a red shirt sophomore at the age of 21 1OA.

Burrow is a grown man by NFL QB terms. Older than many of the up and coming darling QB's we see in the league now.

No shade thrown at Burrow. I think we can win with him as is. But expecting a leap like you would a 21 year old rookie to their 24 year old year isn't likely and unrealistic.

It's not so much about his age. It's about experience.


RE: Burrows Rookie Year Compares to...<drumroll please> - Nicomo Cosca - 12-18-2020

(12-18-2020, 03:30 PM)jj22 Wrote: I think Burrow is far closer to a finished product then people realize. It isn't like we took a red shirt sophomore at the age of 21 1OA.

Burrow is a grown man by NFL QB terms. Older than many of the up and coming darling QB's we see in the league now.

No shade thrown at Burrow. I think we can win with him as is. But expecting a leap like you would a 21 year old rookie to their 24 year old year isn't likely and unrealistic.

Joe’s idol Drew Brees didn’t really start playing like the Drew Brees we know today until his age 25 season.


RE: Burrows Rookie Year Compares to...<drumroll please> - THE PISTONS - 12-18-2020

(12-18-2020, 10:04 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Joe’s idol Drew Brees didn’t really start playing like the Drew Brees we know today until his age 25 season.

There was a good article during the offseason where a bunch of QBs had a major jump in production at 23 years old. For some at 23, they were in the pros. Others like Burtow were in college.

Nothing definitive, but interesting.


RE: Burrows Rookie Year Compares to...<drumroll please> - Synric - 12-18-2020

(12-18-2020, 10:12 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: There was a good article during the offseason where a bunch of QBs had a major jump in production at 23 years old. For some at 23, they were in the pros. Others like Burtow were in college.

Nothing definitive, but interesting.

Most players come in at 21 or 22. So that would make sense since it's their second or third year as a pro...I'm betting that 1 or 2 years of experience is more important than the actual age.


RE: Burrows Rookie Year Compares to...<drumroll please> - THE PISTONS - 12-18-2020

I'd say this held true for Mariota. Major injuries derail this.

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