(01-15-2016, 05:08 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I knew we'd eventually agree on something.

They also need to bring this back....

(01-15-2016, 05:10 PM)Bengal Dude Wrote: This video was pretty much a mainstay in the original LNC thread on the old boards.

(01-15-2016, 05:08 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I knew we'd eventually agree on something.

They also need to bring this back....

(01-15-2016, 07:45 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Glad you found that... I was looking for that to post here the other day.  

(01-15-2016, 12:34 PM)TreasureCoastBenGal Wrote: LA should have a football team.  I said that the whole 7 years I lived out there.  Some people thought they should just build a stadium at the confluence of the 15 and the 10 and then build a rail system on the median of the 15 that would go all the way from east LA to Vegas.  

(01-12-2016, 11:43 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Really it should only be the Rams in LA.

and St Louis doesn't deserve a football team.   It's not a pro football town.   They have the Chiefs

(01-16-2016, 05:21 AM)WildCat Wrote: chief fans don't harbor your view. they say **** st. louis you don't get to root for "our" team. i think i know chief fans since i've lived here (in kansas city, where the chiefs actually reside) for well over a decade. don't get to be a card fan and a chief fan. actually it pisses off a lot of chiefs fans since they are also royals fans and don't care too much for the cards. as do we as reds fans.

(01-16-2016, 05:21 AM)WildCat Wrote: chief fans don't harbor your view. they say **** st. louis you don't get to root for "our" team. i think i know chief fans since i've lived here (in kansas city, where the chiefs actually reside) for well over a decade. don't get to be a card fan and a chief fan. actually it pisses off a lot of chiefs fans since they are also royals fans and don't care too much for the cards. as do we as reds fans.

(01-16-2016, 10:56 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Yea, it's like saying you can take the Bengals and Reds away because Cleveland has baseball and football.

Or the Dolphins because Tampa Bay has the Bucs. 

or the Steelers because the Eagles exist.

Despite being in the same states, these are very different markets with very different fans who have very different histories. 

(01-12-2016, 11:27 PM)guyofthetiger Wrote: LA Rams is what I recall in the days of Dickerson. St. Louis is not a football town and the Rams figured it out. Chargers will probably move to LA and Oakland will build a new stadium.

(01-16-2016, 02:08 PM)jason Wrote: The problem is, the NFL hasn't done too well in LA either.

(01-19-2016, 04:20 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: Listen.  You can take St. Louis and throw it into the ***** Mississippi for all I care, but owners holding new stadium deals over entire cities heads every 20 years is completely ridiculous if you ask me.  I mean Ed jones dome opened in '95.  Doesn't that seem a little wasteful to anyone else?  I can understand putting money into some renovations and whatnot, but ****, do taxpayers really need to finance these things for a rich scumfuck like kroenke?  What does it say about the state of our country when we start rewarding a guy that can't shit in public?    Thats about as pathetic as it gets in my book.

(01-19-2016, 05:24 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Didn't St Louis agree to keep the Edward  james Olmos dome a top 8 facility?  I am certainly not a big public stadium guy, but if you sign a lease then you should abide by the terms.

I do think the NFL is going towards self funded entertainment complex's.   The issue will be when cities hold property up to leverage owners.  That will be the next reason teams move.

(01-19-2016, 06:18 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: Not sure of the particulars, but I would hope the terms of said lease would be more clearly spelled out than a completely subjective clause like 'top 8 facility'...

Maybe Kroenke wanted a top shitter facility to go along with the product he was putting on the field.  

Quote:After the 1987 season, the St. Louis Cardinals football team left the city for Arizona (primarily, as in most cases with franchise relocation in sports, over stadium-related issues). Desperate to get back into the NFL, the city (represented by the St. Louis Regional Sports Authority, the Convention and Visitors Commission, who no doubt consulted with local city, county, and state officials) agreed to a lease which stipulated a “First Tier Promise”, which, in essence, required the stadium to remain among the top 25% of all facilities.

Furthermore, it outlines that the team would not be responsible for financing facility upgrades to ensure the First Tier standards.

(01-19-2016, 07:15 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: http://www.forbes.com/sites/prishe/2016/01/06/st-louis-rams-fans-should-direct-blame-towards-1994-lease-and-not-stan-kroenke/#2715e4857a0b5813e08e6f09

Good article about it.    Will try to quote it all.

(01-19-2016, 07:49 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: Another example of a terrible contract being signed by inept and corrupt local government.  I guess my question is, how did we get to the point that this is acceptable?  The tide may be changing, but **** if we aren't just lining these guys pockets.  MB included.  

(01-19-2016, 09:32 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Well I understand MB did a hell of a job getting a nice deal for the Bengals.. but the economic impact of a sports team like the Bengals is pretty impressive.. The City has gained from keeping the Bengals.. sure we get pissed that we can;t control who and what benefits from our taxes.. but there are thousands of people that benefit every game weekend when the Bengals in town or when a concert is in town at PBS etc.

So when you talk about lining pockets, don;t forget the pockets of the small business owner that is also benefitting.

https://sportscommissions.wordpress.com/2014/01/06/taxes-the-hidden-economic-impact-of-sporting-events/

(01-19-2016, 07:49 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: Another example of a terrible contract being signed by inept and corrupt local government.  I guess my question is, how did we get to the point that this is acceptable?  The tide may be changing, but **** if we aren't just lining these guys pockets.  MB included.