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RE: So, how is Obamacare doing? - Nately120 - 07-05-2016 (07-05-2016, 01:26 PM)Sled21 Wrote: Said no one ever that went to the VA..... putting Government in charge of anything other that fighting wars just means more waste, fraud and abuse. Proven time and again.... Hmm, couldn't it be argued that a lack of competition and privatization regarding the manufacture of war supplies is yielding higher prices, and less output, and more biased interests? RE: So, how is Obamacare doing? - BmorePat87 - 07-05-2016 (07-01-2016, 07:51 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/30/obamacare-loses-16-million-customers-after-third-e/ According to your link "1 million more people had exchange coverage as of March 31 than at the same point in 2015." That's good, right? Can we assume that some of those who dropped coverage via the marketplace are getting it from an employer now? RE: So, how is Obamacare doing? - SunsetBengal - 07-05-2016 (07-05-2016, 03:14 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: According to your link "1 million more people had exchange coverage as of March 31 than at the same point in 2015." 1/3 of 1% of the Nation? Really man? You and I both know that the administration thought that people would flock to it, in droves. Never happened. RE: So, how is Obamacare doing? - GMDino - 07-05-2016 http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertlaszewski2/2015/08/17/has-obamacare-really-reduced-the-uninsured-by-16-million-and-continued-to-show-strong-growth/#2174ca8e5cb4 Quote:As one headline put it, “After Obamacare Number of Uninsured Hits Five Year-Low.” Now, this headline might be technically correct but it hardly gives us the proper impression for why the uninsured rate has dropped so low. RE: So, how is Obamacare doing? - CKwi88 - 07-05-2016 (07-05-2016, 03:14 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: According to your link "1 million more people had exchange coverage as of March 31 than at the same point in 2015." I know that the ACA is the reason that I can get health insurance working as a per diem for the state of CT. Before we wouldn't qualify, and now I get some absolutely bitchin health insurance for next to nothing. So, Obamacare is doing just fine for me. ![]() RE: So, how is Obamacare doing? - GMDino - 07-05-2016 (07-05-2016, 07:26 PM)CKwi88 Wrote: I know that the ACA is the reason that I can get health insurance working as a per diem for the state of CT. Before we wouldn't qualify, and now I get some absolutely bitchin health insurance for next to nothing. From the anecdotes I've heard it has been helpful for some, and not for others. We are insured through my wife's work and so far it hasn't hurt us much at all. RE: So, how is Obamacare doing? - michaelsean - 07-05-2016 (07-05-2016, 02:28 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Hmm, couldn't it be argued that a lack of competition and privatization regarding the manufacture of war supplies is yielding higher prices, and less output, and more biased interests? Who told you there is no competition in armaments manufacturing? RE: So, how is Obamacare doing? - Rotobeast - 07-06-2016 (07-05-2016, 11:44 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Who told you there is no competition in armaments manufacturing? I was going to post this earlier. http://www.seexpo.com/index.php/index/Search/industry/fid/103/sid/464 RE: So, how is Obamacare doing? - BmorePat87 - 07-06-2016 (07-05-2016, 07:12 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: 1/3 of 1% of the Nation? Really man? Well your initial claim was that a very broad law was probably not working because 1.6 million of the 12.7 million people who subscribed this year dropped out of it 2 months later. You're now suggesting that it's not working because only 1 million more Americans are using the exchange (only one aspect of the law) this year than used it last year. Estimates suggest 42 million Americans did not have insurance before the law. Gallup suggests that the uninsured rate has dropped over 6% (from 17.1% to 11%) since the individual mandate went into effect. What that means is 35% of those who were uninsured now have insurance. Nearly 14.7 million people. Not all of them are getting it through the exchanges. Some now get insurance from their employer when they didn't before. Some are now covered by mom and dad (under 26). Some might have dropped their costly insurance to get insurance through the exchange. Either way you cut it, 35% of those who were uninsured before the mandate now have insurance. It's working in that sense. And that's only part of the law. If you want to attack the law, attack the poor rollout, the cost, and the fact that telling people they have to buy insurance should be considered unconstitutional (thanks Roberts). Your current line of attack is just false. RE: So, how is Obamacare doing? - fredtoast - 07-06-2016 (07-06-2016, 01:02 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Well your initial claim was that a very broad law was probably not working because 1.6 million of the 12.7 million people who subscribed this year dropped out of it 2 months later. You're now suggesting that it's not working because only 1 million more Americans are using the exchange (only one aspect of the law) this year than used it last year. Rep. RE: So, how is Obamacare doing? - SunsetBengal - 07-06-2016 (07-06-2016, 01:02 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Well your initial claim was that a very broad law was probably not working because 1.6 million of the 12.7 million people who subscribed this year dropped out of it 2 months later. You're now suggesting that it's not working because only 1 million more Americans are using the exchange (only one aspect of the law) this year than used it last year. Great post, Pat. You inspired me to do a little more reading. http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertlaszewski2/2015/08/17/has-obamacare-really-reduced-the-uninsured-by-16-million-and-continued-to-show-strong-growth/#681dc0745cb4 RE: So, how is Obamacare doing? - Mike M (the other one) - 07-07-2016 The ACA was poorly done, and could've been so much better. This is what happens when 2 parties can't agree on anything. Everyone gets screwed, even them, but they went back and fixed it for themselves, but we're still screwed. I might be a Republican at heart, but this is one of the few areas where I believe that we should all pay a flat tax for and EVERY USC is covered, expand Medicare if you have to, but do it right. Now with it done this way (coming straight out of your taxes), Employer's no longer have to mess with all of that and can raise our wages a little to compensate. If our earning power goes up, then we as consumers will spend more. Honestly, it's not hard to do some of these things. All we have to do is look at how other countries do it (successfully) and model ours after theirs with adjustments as to where we think we can make it better. Taking care of Americans should be a Politician's first Priority. RE: So, how is Obamacare doing? - GMDino - 07-07-2016 (07-06-2016, 08:48 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Great post, Pat. You inspired me to do a little more reading. You mean the story I already posted? LOL! RE: So, how is Obamacare doing? - SunsetBengal - 07-07-2016 (07-07-2016, 09:43 PM)GMDino Wrote: You mean the story I already posted? LOL! Hey, don't strain your shoulder, while patting yourself on the back.. ![]() RE: So, how is Obamacare doing? - GMDino - 07-07-2016 (07-07-2016, 10:52 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Hey, don't strain your shoulder, while patting yourself on the back.. Just making sure you were reading the posts. ![]() ![]() RE: So, how is Obamacare doing? - michaelsean - 07-07-2016 It made more sense when Pat posted it. RE: So, how is Obamacare doing? - GMDino - 07-07-2016 (07-07-2016, 11:08 PM)michaelsean Wrote: It made more sense when Pat posted it. I'm just ahead of the curve.... ![]() RE: So, how is Obamacare doing? - JustWinBaby - 07-08-2016 (07-03-2016, 10:05 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Since when is expanding Medicaid any sort of alternative answer? Well, that's effectively what Obamacare did - a decrease in uninsured from 14.6% (pre-recession) to 11.0%, the majority of those coming from Medicaid expansion. So we're still paying for them just like we were before....but that $2500 savings is going to kick-in any day now. Any day. Gee, if only there had been a way to increase Medicaid coverage without a massive re-write of the healthcare industry.... I don't have a good answer. Neither, it appears, do Democrats - I mean, how's that single payer working in Vermont? Sometimes doing nothing is the best option out of alternatives presented. Or we can all just jump on the massively inefficient gubmit bandwagon. Although I admire the eagerness to tear it up and start from scratch. Would like to see that mentality in many other wasteful govt initiatives. But, yeah, if you want an answer a hybrid public/private model probably makes the most sense. But allowing the private model to remain doesn't fit the autocratic liberal agenda. |