So, how is Obamacare doing?

[SunsetBengal]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/30/obamacare-loses-16-million-customers-after-third-e/

Wasn't making health care available to everyone, and mandatory for everyone to have, and forcing insurance companies to cover all sorts of ridiculous shit supposed to fix everything??

[JustWinBaby]

Hella-expensive solution just to expand and promoted Medicaid.

[GMDino]

(07-01-2016, 07:51 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/30/obamacare-loses-16-million-customers-after-third-e/

Wasn't making health care available to everyone, and mandatory for everyone to have, and forcing insurance companies to cover all sorts of ridiculous shit supposed to fix everything??

No.  Single payer would have fixed almost everything.

Instead we got one that allows people who were being shafted by insurance companies to get insurance, people who never had it to get it, and attempted to limit the annual price gouging done by the industry without actually regulating or controlling any of it.

[*jason*]

(07-01-2016, 09:20 PM)GMDino Wrote: No.  Single payer would have fixed almost everything.

Instead we got one that allows people who were being shafted by insurance companies to get insurance, people who never had it to get it, and attempted to limit the annual price gouging done by the industry without actually regulating or controlling any of it.

Don't forget the escalating tax penalty towards the working poor, who can't afford it.

The whole health insurance racket is a joke. I need insurance in case something happens to my house or car. Something will definitely happen to me. I don't need insurance. I need healthcare. Everybody else has figured this out. Too bad we can't.

[Millhouse]

[JustWinBaby]

(07-01-2016, 09:20 PM)GMDino Wrote: No.  Single payer would have fixed almost everything.

Nice.... You read the leftist's socialist manual.  Do they bend you over literally or just take a cash transfer?

[Benton]

I'd say having an 87% retention rate is pretty good, that's along the lines of heroine and driving.

[GMDino]

(07-02-2016, 03:06 AM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Nice.... You read the leftist's socialist manual.  Do they bend you over literally or just take a cash transfer?

That was a well thought out response.  Thanks.

[SunsetBengal]

(07-01-2016, 09:20 PM)GMDino Wrote: No.  Single payer would have fixed almost everything.

Instead we got one that allows people who were being shafted by insurance companies to get insurance, people who never had it to get it, and attempted to limit the annual price gouging done by the industry without actually regulating or controlling any of it.

I'm going to disagree with you.  A single payer system allows one entity to decide what they are going to cover, how much the cost is going to be, etc.  I'd say that the VA is a good example of a single payer program that is an absolute disaster.

[fredtoast]

(07-02-2016, 03:06 AM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Nice.... You read the leftist's socialist manual.  Do they bend you over literally or just take a cash transfer?

So who was paying for the healthcare of all the people before the ACA.  Because I don't remember seeing any hospitals kicking people out who could not pay.

I am not a big fan of the ACA, but I don't just stick my head in the ground and act like there was no problem before it was enacted.

[fredtoast]

(07-02-2016, 02:09 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I'm going to disagree with you.  A single payer system allows one entity to decide what they are going to cover, how much the cost is going to be, etc.  I'd say that the VA is a good example of a single payer program that is an absolute disaster.

Medicaid and medicare work well.

But this is always the way conservatives have dealt with the costs of health care.  Criticise everything proposed but never offer an alternative answer.

[fredtoast]

(07-01-2016, 10:28 PM)jason Wrote: The whole health insurance racket is a joke. I need insurance in case something happens to my house or car. Something will definitely happen to me. I don't need insurance. I need healthcare. Everybody else has figured this out. Too bad we can't.

Exactly.

If food suddenly costs so much people could not afford to eat politicians would address the cost of food instead of making us buy "food insurance" through private companies.

[Rotobeast]

(07-02-2016, 05:27 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Exactly.

If food suddenly costs so much people could not afford to eat politicians would address the cost of food instead of making us buy "food insurance" through private companies.

Shhh... don't give them any ideas !

[JustWinBaby]

(07-02-2016, 05:23 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I am not a big fan of the ACA, but I don't just stick my head in the ground and act like there was no problem before it was enacted.

Who's sticking their head in the sand?  Are you saying that my statement about it being an absurdly expensive advertising campaign to expand Medicaid is inaccurate?!?

[JustWinBaby]

(07-02-2016, 05:27 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Exactly.

If food suddenly costs so much people could not afford to eat politicians would address the cost of food instead of making us buy "food insurance" through private companies.

That's a fantastic idea...except that's not what Obamacare did....pretended, maybe.

[JustWinBaby]

(07-02-2016, 05:25 PM)fredtoast Wrote: But this is always the way conservatives have dealt with the costs of health care.  Criticise everything proposed but never offer an alternative answer.

Nice bubble-think....but actually GW expanded Medicare D.  Oops

[Belsnickel]

(07-03-2016, 12:09 AM)JustWinBaby Wrote: That's a fantastic idea...except that's not what Obamacare did....pretended, maybe.

I think Fred is more in favor of single payer and/or reducing healthcare costs and not what the ACA did. That's why his post was tacking onto a post that was bashing the idea of health insurance.

[fredtoast]

(07-02-2016, 05:25 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Medicaid and medicare work well.

But this is always the way conservatives have dealt with the costs of health care.  Criticise everything proposed but never offer an alternative answer.

(07-03-2016, 12:10 AM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Nice bubble-think....but actually GW expanded Medicare D.  Oops

Since when is expanding Medicaid any sort of alternative answer?

So far JustWin has 6 whiny posts in this thread without proposing any other answer.  Thanks for proving my point.

[SunsetBengal]

(07-03-2016, 10:05 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Since when is expanding Medicaid any sort of alternative answer?

So far JustWin has 6 whiny posts in this thread without proposing any other answer.  Thanks for proving my point.

So, JustWin has proposed as many possible solutions as you have?

[Sled21]

(07-01-2016, 09:20 PM)GMDino Wrote: No.  Single payer would have fixed almost everything.

Said no one ever that went to the VA..... putting Government in charge of anything other that fighting wars just means more waste, fraud and abuse. Proven time and again....