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RE: The Mueller Report thread - Belsnickel - 04-10-2019 (04-10-2019, 03:16 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: I agree. Both sides of the aisle. But then again, since the FCC rule change in 1990, spreading thickly biased and sometimes erroneous stories to appeal to a partisan audience is the name of the game. Oh yeah. The number of people convinced that Mueller was going to find criminal wrong doing re Trump/Russia were fed that constantly by the media on the left which left little to no room for the possibility that it wouldn't come out to that. I mean, we discussed this in the forum a while ago, but there is no crime of collusion, anyway. The whole idea surrounding it was an interesting one where some people were pointing out that it is quite possible that there could have been contact without anything criminal occurring. I'm curious to read the report, especially the summaries that were supposedly written by the Mueller team that were intended for public consumption (if those do, in fact, exist). There are also a few people who I would like to hear an analysis from with regard to the report, but that number is very few and they involved people who are or have been involved in the DoJ. RE: The Mueller Report thread - Belsnickel - 04-10-2019 (04-10-2019, 05:58 PM)Dill Wrote: Can't stop . . . staring . . . . . into this toad's . . . eyes . . . . . lock . . . her . . . up . . . . .lock . . . . Ugh, this just made me think of a jackass that parked over the line next to me, yesterday, and had a "lock her up" sticker on their truck. They also spilled something on my car. It was a trifecta of asshattery. RE: The Mueller Report thread - Bengalzona - 04-10-2019 (04-10-2019, 06:34 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Oh yeah. The number of people convinced that Mueller was going to find criminal wrong doing re Trump/Russia were fed that constantly by the media on the left which left little to no room for the possibility that it wouldn't come out to that. I mean, we discussed this in the forum a while ago, but there is no crime of collusion, anyway. The whole idea surrounding it was an interesting one where some people were pointing out that it is quite possible that there could have been contact without anything criminal occurring. Yeah. I have a little different take on the Mueller media frenzy at this point. First, it wasn't just media on the Left. Moderate media was giving this a lot of anticipatory air time. In fact, it was pretty much everyone who wasn't Fox or on the far right fringe. And I don't think it was "wishful thinking" on their parts. I believe that the sheer volume of airtime was actually coordinated (or 'colluded' if you will) to an extent. Not necessarily with the intent of trying to hurting Trump and his admin either. I think the veteran news journalists in this country actually anticipated that the admin would make moves to try keep the report out of the view of everyone but the admin and those involved at the DoJ. This has been this admin's modus operandi on most everything to this point. I believe the big media hoopla was not speculation about the admin colluding with Russia, rather it was to create public outcry so that members of Congress would be forced to request copies of the report and release to the public. In my experience, the last thing a wise politician ever wants to say to members of the media is, "You don't need to know." That causes the exact opposite effect that you want. RE: The Mueller Report thread - Bengalzona - 04-10-2019 (04-10-2019, 11:41 AM)Dill Wrote: Maybe you just hate Trump, but even so that is an excellent, concise summary of the investigation's rationale and goals evolving within that rationale. Oh... forgot to mention earlier. Carter Page was also under investigation before the Trump campaign even started. That was what got the whole FBI thing under way, I believe. So that is Page, Manafort and Cohen under investigation (or as some on the Right like to say "bein' spied upon!!!) prior to the Trump campaign even starting. And then, by some amazing coincidence, Trump just happened to pick all three as well as some of the other Mueller-indicted persons to work on his campaign. Don't that just beat all for dumb luck, eh! Incidentally, "under investigation" doesn't happen unless there is sufficient evidence to pursue the investigation, as opposed to "I think something happened but don't have any evidence to support". RE: The Mueller Report thread - TheLeonardLeap - 04-10-2019 (04-10-2019, 08:38 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: I believe the big media hoopla was not speculation about the admin colluding with Russia, rather it was to create public outcry so that members of Congress would be forced to request copies of the report and release to the public. That sounds more like an idealized hope or what you wish the explanation rather than the more likely actual explanation of "it got clicks, views, and retweets" and/or letting their emotions control them. I don't buy a TWO YEAR LONG overarching industry-wide agreed upon master plan to pressure the report being released, by posting a frenzy of speculation, rumors, and hopes as news. If you do, I have a bridge to sell you. Sorry Zona, know you want to protect and believe in your fellow newsfolk, but that is a pill far too big to swallow. RE: The Mueller Report thread - SunsetBengal - 04-10-2019 (04-10-2019, 08:38 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: Yeah. I have a little different take on the Mueller media frenzy at this point. First, it wasn't just media on the Left. Moderate media was giving this a lot of anticipatory air time. In fact, it was pretty much everyone who wasn't Fox or on the far right fringe. And I don't think it was "wishful thinking" on their parts. I believe that the sheer volume of airtime was actually coordinated (or 'colluded' if you will) to an extent. Not necessarily with the intent of trying to hurting Trump and his admin either. I think the veteran news journalists in this country actually anticipated that the admin would make moves to try keep the report out of the view of everyone but the admin and those involved at the DoJ. This has been this admin's modus operandi on most everything to this point. I believe the big media hoopla was not speculation about the admin colluding with Russia, rather it was to create public outcry so that members of Congress would be forced to request copies of the report and release to the public. Hmm, all I can say about the media frenzy is that the past two days have been great ones, to listen to conservative talk radio.. RE: The Mueller Report thread - Bengalzona - 04-10-2019 (04-10-2019, 09:24 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: That sounds more like an idealized hope or what you wish the explanation rather than the more likely actual explanation of "it got clicks, views, and retweets" and/or letting their emotions control them. Some media outlets posted speculation, rumors, and hopes as news, no doubt. Others just gave routine updates. Can you tell the difference? But believe how you will. It's a free country (for the moment). I also don't buy into the "mainstream liberal media" bias hoopla. If there were such a thing, we wouldn't have had Republican control of the White House, Senate and House during the past 2 years. RE: The Mueller Report thread - Belsnickel - 04-10-2019 (04-10-2019, 09:29 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Hmm, all I can say about the media frenzy is that the past two days have been great ones, to listen to conservative talk radio.. There is no good day to listen to talk radio. RE: The Mueller Report thread - TheLeonardLeap - 04-10-2019 (04-10-2019, 09:39 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: Some media outlets posted speculation, rumors, and hopes as news, no doubt. Others just gave routine updates. Can you tell the difference? I can tell the difference, but I also know that it is easy to get caught up in the momentum or chasing the money. As I said, not necessarily bias, but it could be just chasing what the readers/viewers want... and lets face it, a lot of people have wanted Trump impeached before even his inaugeration. So that is probably a lot more of a draw than "hey, there may be nothing" as an option. My utter disbelief was just that the frenzy was an intentional ploy, and not a frenzy. I also think a big part of the problem is editors rather than journalists, as everyone is fighting to be first and foremost, and bold clickbaity article titles simply get more clicks/get talked more about than boring and realistic accurate ones. RE: The Mueller Report thread - Bengalzona - 04-10-2019 (04-10-2019, 10:05 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I can tell the difference, but I also know that it is easy to get caught up in the momentum or chasing the money. Eh. Editors are just journalists who decided to get married. Surely you would have to agree though that there has been a continuous effort by most media outlets to keep the story in the news, even when there has been nothing going on in the investigation and/or bigger news stories around? (And if you agree, I'll even stop calling you 'Shirley'! ) ![]() RE: The Mueller Report thread - Bengalzona - 04-10-2019 (04-10-2019, 09:40 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: There is no good day to listen to talk radio. I used to listen to WLW a lot back in the hood in the day. But then they started talking less about sports and more about politics. I gave it up at that point. RE: The Mueller Report thread - TheLeonardLeap - 04-10-2019 (04-10-2019, 10:37 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: Eh. Editors are just journalists who decided to get married. I'll agree there was an effort to keep the story in the news, but we will have to agree to disagree on why that is. Lol Looks like you picked the wrong week to quit smoking. RE: The Mueller Report thread - Bengalzona - 04-11-2019 "I feel I have an obligation to make sure government power is not abused." ~ William Barr with his best stab at irony. RE: The Mueller Report thread - GMDino - 04-11-2019 (04-11-2019, 12:03 AM)Bengalzona Wrote: "I feel I have an obligation to make sure government power is not abused." ~ William Barr with his best stab at irony. Was that during Iran-Contra or now? ![]() RE: The Mueller Report thread - GMDino - 04-11-2019 Now we'll see how the right feels about these charges. ![]() https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/10/politics/greg-craig-mueller-investigation/index.html Lawyers expect ex-Obama counsel to be indicted in case linked to Mueller probe Quote:(CNN)Attorneys for Greg Craig, a prominent Democratic lawyer and former White House counsel in the Obama administration, said Wednesday evening that they expect him to be indicted by federal prosecutors in a case that stems from special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation. RE: The Mueller Report thread - michaelsean - 04-11-2019 (04-11-2019, 08:38 AM)GMDino Wrote: Now we'll see how the right feels about these charges. I wish I understood better this unregistered foreign agent thing. Is it doing work on behalf of another government? RE: The Mueller Report thread - Belsnickel - 04-11-2019 (04-11-2019, 09:22 AM)michaelsean Wrote: I wish I understood better this unregistered foreign agent thing. Is it doing work on behalf of another government? Yes. It's essentially being a lobbyist for a foreign government. Americans regularly do this, it's a part of the swamp of Washington. However, much like regular lobbying, you are supposed to register your lobbying activities. For domestic purposes it is more about tracking the revolving door of lobbyists that move between government and the private sector at will, for foreign lobbying it is something every foreign agent is supposed to do. Neither law is often enforced. There is so much unregistered lobbying activity that occurs in Washington that it would make your head spin. That is what makes the prosecutions related to all of this a bit outside of the norm. RE: The Mueller Report thread - jj22 - 04-11-2019 (04-10-2019, 09:29 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Hmm, all I can say about the media frenzy is that the past two days have been great ones, to listen to conservative talk radio.. Did any of them call for the full release of the Mueller report? Or were they content to keep Trumps exoneration secret even after the grand jury lie was exposed? Asking for a friend who missed listening. RE: The Mueller Report thread - SunsetBengal - 04-11-2019 (04-11-2019, 11:18 AM)jj22 Wrote: Did any of them call for the full release of the Mueller report? You know, that's funny. The Democrats declined the opportunity to read the full, unredacted report, in a private session. RE: The Mueller Report thread - GMDino - 04-11-2019 (04-11-2019, 11:30 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: You know, that's funny. The Democrats declined the opportunity to read the full, unredacted report, in a private session. Do you have a citation for that? I didn't see where that offer was made. |