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RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - BmorePat87 - 08-26-2020 (08-26-2020, 02:43 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: The kid's not from WI? If the case is ruled self defense then I don't know what their chances would be in civil court. He's from Illinois, about 35 minutes south west of Kenosha. It's illegal in both states for him to have that gun, and I believe illegal for him to open carry in WI. They arrested him and charged him with 1st degree (seems like a bad decision, 2nd or manslaughter) but they also got him for fleeing the state to avoid prosecution. Even if he's found innocent, there's precedent to lose a civil cause. If it's self defense, I think they could still get the mom for damages for her letting him illegally own the gun and leave the state with it, saying that her neglect led to the deaths. It's a pretty big **** up on her part (assuming it was her). RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - GMDino - 08-26-2020 (08-26-2020, 06:50 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: No. Interesting. (08-26-2020, 06:50 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Calm yourself. What if he was attacked and killed the first person in self defense? You're acting like all the facts are in on this case, they are not. Nor do you and you were the first to offer a defense of "possible" self defense. I'm speculating as you did. (08-26-2020, 06:50 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Who on this board has made either of those two claims? I didn't say "on this board". The world of bad opinions and false facts exists beyond here. (08-26-2020, 06:50 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Your propensity to falsely accuse others of making vile statements is childish and it needs to stop. As you say "I'll choose to ignore your personal attack". (08-26-2020, 06:50 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Start with "personally" not lying about (or alluding to) what people on this board have claimed or said. See above. The lady doth protest too much. (08-26-2020, 06:50 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Uh, exactly. What would have happened if the dude in Portland who got field goal kicked in the face was armed? He probably would have shot someone when he was attacked. I speculated as you did. Sorry it didn't fit, what do you call it, "narrative". Sir. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 08-26-2020 (08-26-2020, 07:27 PM)GMDino Wrote: Interesting. Consistent. Quote:Nor do you and you were the first to offer a defense of "possible" self defense. I'm speculating as you did. The key word in that sentence is "possible". Given the violence that has become a common occurrence at these riots it's not exactly a far fetched possibility. It may not be self defense, but it's certainly not obvious that it was not. Quote:I didn't say "on this board". The world of bad opinions and false facts exists beyond here. Then actually state that instead of saying it in a way that could easily be viewed as you doing exactly that. Quote:As you say "I'll choose to ignore your personal attack". A request is not a personal attack. This is the third time I've had to ask you about this within the last week. Quote:See above. The lady doth protest too much. Please let me know what the right amount of calling out your propensity to deliberately misstate the positions of those you debate with. Quote:I speculated as you did. Sorry it didn't fit, what do you call it, "narrative". It certainly didn't read that way, but I'll take your word for it. Apology accepted. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - GMDino - 08-26-2020 One thing I will say is that the racists get to come out of hiding when this stuff happens and act like they are simply being "fair".
RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - GMDino - 08-26-2020 Trump says nothing of the Blake shooting. Nothing about the 17 year old killer. But...LAW AND ORDER!
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RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - GMDino - 08-26-2020
RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - Vas Deferens - 08-26-2020 Ever thought to yourself “that thing I just said publicly at work should get me fired” ? Neither has this guy apparently. Buy a ***** lifeline bro. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - Dill - 08-27-2020 (08-26-2020, 07:34 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan:No. Wrote: Calm yourself. What if he was attacked and killed the first person in self defense? You're acting like all the facts are in on this case, they are not. (08-26-2020, 07:34 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Consistent. "Posting history" keepers RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - GMDino - 08-27-2020 (08-27-2020, 04:13 AM)Dill Wrote: "Posting history" keepers "What If" was one of my favorite comics growing up. What if the cops didn't shoot a guy 7 times in the back, paralyzing him? RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - GMDino - 08-27-2020
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RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - GMDino - 08-27-2020 Opinion piece from the veteran who mas attacked by the federal agents for talking to them. https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/08/26/aclu-christopher-david-sue-federal-agents-dhs-beating-column/5634066002/ [/url] Quote:OPINION RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - Brownshoe - 08-27-2020 (08-27-2020, 09:33 AM)GMDino Wrote: Ok, I don't visit this place very often, but let me get this straight.... Kyle went to Kenosha with a AR-15(?) to help defend buildings from being burned to the ground. He was on video running from a group of rioters, one which tried to swing and hit him with a skateboard (possibly hit him?). Kyle then fell, another rioter tried to jump in the air and stomp on him while he was on the ground, and another (with the skateboard) running toward him hitting him with the skateboard in the head, and another drawing a pistol at him. Kyle then shot the people who were trying to seriously injure him. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jacob had the police called on him for stealing a woman's keys and not returning them and not leaving. The officers were informed he previously had domestic abuse, a felony sexual assault, and a misdemeanor carrying a concealed weapon. Jacob had an open warrant. The officers tried to subdue Jacob by wrestling him to the ground and tasering him, but it didn't work. Jacob then went to the driver side of his car where a knife was, and then shot by the police. Am I missing something, because I feel like I must because how people are acting. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - GMDino - 08-27-2020 (08-27-2020, 10:18 AM)Brownshoe Wrote: Ok, I don't visit this place very often, but let me get this straight.... Kyle sis suspected of shooting a person then a crowd chases after him and he shoots two of them and runs home. Jacob was breaking up a fight when the police got there and went to his car where his three children were and was shot SEVEN times in the back. Being chased for killing someone isn't self defense Having a knife, or a watt ant, isn't reason to be paralyzed for life. Yeah, I'd say you're missing something. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - Brownshoe - 08-27-2020 (08-27-2020, 10:22 AM)GMDino Wrote: Kyle sis suspected of shooting a person then a crowd chases after him and he shoots two of them and runs home. From what I read Kyle didn't shoot anyone until he fell to the ground and was attacked. If I'm wrong and Kyle unjustly killed someone then that's different, but from the video I seen it was clearly self defense. I'm defiantly for waiting until more info comes out to have a final opinion. Jacob wasn't breaking up a fight he actually had the police called on him. There's actual video of him being put on the ground by the police and being tased and Jacob getting back up and walking to his car where the knife (a deadly weapon) was. So what am I missing? RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - Nately120 - 08-27-2020 The amount of time Americans can spend debating and poring over the minutia of daily shootings is astounding. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - Brownshoe - 08-27-2020 (08-27-2020, 10:28 AM)Brownshoe Wrote: From what I read Kyle didn't shoot anyone until he fell to the ground and was attacked. If I'm wrong and Kyle unjustly killed someone then that's different, but from the video I seen it was clearly self defense. I'm defiantly for waiting until more info comes out to have a final opinion.https://www.theblaze.com/news/video-first-kenosha-victim?utm_content=buffer22976&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=fb-patgrayunleashed&fbclid=IwAR1r3A0FnPPXOz7nHqYShC34VM7nm5PqXsyAvyI6pCcgNfKASjka5onnv8A So that's the only video that I seen of the first victim (sorry for having to use the blaze). Kyle seems to shoot in the air as a warning shot while being chased by the first victim. He still was running after him and throwing things at him. He is being chased and attacked before he even shoots anyone. I am willing to vilify Kyle if he unjustly killed someone. Hell, I don't agree with him being at there what-so-ever, but from all the evidence it shows that he legitimately trying to run away and just defending himself at that point. He should have let the police do their job. He should be punished for being there and crossing state lines with a gun. I don't believe that its justifiable to charge him with manslaughter or murder, because it very much seems like it was self defense. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - BmorePat87 - 08-27-2020 (08-27-2020, 10:28 AM)Brownshoe Wrote: From what I read Kyle didn't shoot anyone until he fell to the ground and was attacked. If I'm wrong and Kyle unjustly killed someone then that's different, but from the video I seen it was clearly self defense. I'm defiantly for waiting until more info comes out to have a final opinion. He had just killed someone and fled the scene of the crime. The people were trying to stop him. In the video, you can hear people yelling to stop him because he just killed a man. The man whose arm he blew a chunk out of had a gun but at no point tried to fire at him, even when he was directly in front of him. He tried to stop him without using lethal force. I guess he made a mistake, because now he's maimed and a second unarmed man is dead. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - BmorePat87 - 08-27-2020 (08-27-2020, 10:47 AM)Nately120 Wrote: The amount of time Americans can spend debating and poring over the minutia of daily shootings is astounding. ![]() RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - Brownshoe - 08-27-2020 (08-27-2020, 10:54 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: He had just killed someone and fled the scene of the crime. The people were trying to stop him. In the video, you can hear people yelling to stop him because he just killed a man. The man whose arm he blew a chunk out of had a gun but at no point tried to fire at him, even when he was directly in front of him. He tried to stop him without using lethal force. I looked into it more, and I found I was wrong and he shot someone before the video I watched. I found another video showing the first victim was chasing Kyle and attacking him. Kyle shooting a warning shot in the air while running away from the first victim. Kyle was still being chased, so he defended himself. More people started chasing him and attacking him. He continued to defend himself. That's what the videos that have been released clearly show. If you have anymore evidence of wrongdoing on Kyles part I would appreciate it so I can change my opinion. |