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RE: Bad boys, bad boys...watcha gonna do? - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 06-20-2017 (06-20-2017, 11:29 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: But..... 7 shots ? We've (I say this generally btw) debated this before. A semi auto, coupled with an adrenaline dump, lends itself to more shots being fired than are necessary. You can shoot an entire 15 round magazine in around 2-3 seconds. You're expecting completely rational decision making from a person in the midst of a fight or die adrenaline dump. You've been to a range, fire seven shots as fast as you can, it will be accomplished quickly. Then consider you're not in the midst of a potentially deadly situation. Note that none of this is predicated on being correct in your perception. RE: Bad boys, bad boys...watcha gonna do? - GMDino - 06-20-2017 (06-20-2017, 11:29 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: But..... 7 shots ? But he was nervous. ![]() Quote:“I didn’t know where the gun was, he didn’t tell me where the ******’ gun was, and then it was just gettin’ hanky. He was just staring straight ahead, and I was gettin’ ******’ nervous and then … I told him to get his ******’ hand off his gun … F**k.” RE: Bad boys, bad boys...watcha gonna do? - Rotobeast - 06-20-2017 (06-20-2017, 11:38 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: We've (I say this generally btw) debated this before. A semi auto, coupled with an adrenaline dump, lends itself to more shots being fired than are necessary. You can shoot an entire 15 round magazine in around 2-3 seconds. You're expecting completely rational decision making from a person in the midst of a fight or die adrenaline dump. You've been to a range, fire seven shots as fast as you can, it will be accomplished quickly. Then consider you're not in the midst of a potentially deadly situation. Note that none of this is predicated on being correct in your perception.I know it can be fast and I know I've not been in those situations. It's just tough to defend with the officer's dialogue. I've disarmed a couple of people, but never held someone at gunpoint and measured my safety within their actions. I'm not going to debate anything, further. I just know that something doesn't feel right here. RE: Bad boys, bad boys...watcha gonna do? - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 06-20-2017 (06-20-2017, 11:46 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: I know it can be fast and I know I've not been in those situations. I wouldn't disagree with you on that. I just have to think that there was something that we aren't aware of that led twelve people to acquit. RE: Bad boys, bad boys...watcha gonna do? - Dill - 06-21-2017 (06-20-2017, 10:16 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: GMDino logic. "Actions"? What percentage of the world's 1.6 billion Muslims shoot people illegally? Do you suppose it is more or less than .01%? RE: Bad boys, bad boys...watcha gonna do? - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 06-21-2017 (06-21-2017, 12:33 AM)Dill Wrote: "Actions"? Shoot, blow up, behead, rape, assault, throw off buildings, mutilate their genitalia take your pick. Keep losing. RE: Bad boys, bad boys...watcha gonna do? - Dill - 06-21-2017 (06-21-2017, 12:42 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Shoot, blow up, behead, rape, assault, throw off buildings, mutilate their genitalia take your pick. Keep losing. Please actually answer this question instead of obfuscating as usual. What percentage of the world's 1.6 Muslims shoot people illegally? (Feel free to substitute "kill" for "shoot" if you think it will make a statistical difference.) I don't think you meant to imply 5-10%. That would be a mind-boggling number, and what would the body count be--double that of WWII? Would you say it is more or less than .01%? I would say less. RE: Bad boys, bad boys...watcha gonna do? - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 06-21-2017 (06-21-2017, 12:53 AM)Dill Wrote: Please actually answer this question instead of obfuscating as usual. Don't co-opt my terms. It's transparent and won't work. ![]() Quote:What percent of the world's 1.6 Muslims shoot people illegally? We've had this discussion before. Iran actively promotes the death of homosexuals, as does most of the middle east. Numerous surveys of muslim countries finds wide support for draconian punishment for apostasy, homosexuality, and other "religious" crimes. We've had this discussion before as well. Of course, despite your stated preference for surveys, you deny these surveys. Quote:Would you say it is more or less than .01%? I would say less. Nope. Can I infer that you believe that the % of LEO's engaged in bad activity is the same percentage? RE: Bad boys, bad boys...watcha gonna do? - Dill - 06-21-2017 (06-21-2017, 01:10 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Don't co-opt my terms. It's transparent and won't work. I can see that co opting your terms won't work--a "transparent" appeal to the standard you apply to others. Vague sweeping claims about what "most of the Middle East" promotes or "supports" do not answer my question. "Promote" and "support" were not in your list of actions above. Third time at bat. Again. What percentage of the world's 1.6 billion Muslims kill people illegally? "Nope" more than .01% or "nope" less than .01%? I will accept scattershot snark and obfuscation if, somewhere in all that, you have an answer. RE: Bad boys, bad boys...watcha gonna do? - GMDino - 06-21-2017 (06-21-2017, 01:41 AM)Dill Wrote: I can see that co opting your terms won't work--a "transparent" appeal to the standard you apply to others. Vague sweeping claims about what "most of the Middle East" promotes or "supports" do not answer my question. "Promote" and "support" were not in your list of actions above. Unless ISIS is representing the police let's take the foreign affairs discussion elsewhere and concentrate on how nervous this cop got that he shot a man seven times because the victim told him he had a gun and was NOT reaching for it in a calm, controlled manner. Oh...and he *thought* he smelled weed so that meant the victim must not care about others since there was a child in the car. Seriously folks. RE: Bad boys, bad boys...watcha gonna do? - Dill - 06-21-2017 (06-21-2017, 08:30 AM)GMDino Wrote: Unless ISIS is representing the police let's take the foreign affairs discussion elsewhere and concentrate on how nervous this cop got that he shot a man seven times because the victim told him he had a gun and was NOT reaching for it in a calm, controlled manner. Actually that wasn't a foreign affairs discussion. We were removing the double standard in an analogy between police miscreants and Muslims. RE: Bad boys, bad boys...watcha gonna do? - GMDino - 06-21-2017 (06-21-2017, 01:38 PM)Dill Wrote: Actually that wasn't a foreign affairs discussion. We were removing the double standard in an analogy between police miscreants and Muslims. And I agree we shouldn't be making that analogy. It's a calculated move to destroy the actual conversation by distracting and convoluting it with Muslims. RE: Bad boys, bad boys...watcha gonna do? - GMDino - 07-06-2017 If you remember the story from a few years ago when James Blake was attacked and the officers attempted to cover it up until a video verified his version of the story. http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2017/06/james-blake-details-inspiration-behind-ways-grace/67110/ Quote:JAMES BLAKE DETAILS INSPIRATION BEHIND 'WAYS OF GRACE' Good interview too. http://www.npr.org/2017/06/28/534671434/former-tennis-player-james-blake-on-athletes-and-activism RE: Bad boys, bad boys...watcha gonna do? - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 07-06-2017 (06-21-2017, 01:38 PM)Dill Wrote: Actually that wasn't a foreign affairs discussion. We were removing the double standard in an analogy between police miscreants and Muslims. No, you were flailing, it was amusing. Now back to GMDino resurrecting years old events. Carry on. RE: Bad boys, bad boys...watcha gonna do? - GMDino - 07-06-2017 (07-06-2017, 12:18 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: No, you were flailing, it was amusing. Now back to GMDino resurrecting years old events. Carry on. Sorry SSF. I was listening to an interview as I typed that. His book sounds very interesting and rather than start a whole new thread I placed here as he was a victim of an attack and attempted cover up. He seems to be doing the right thing about it though. RE: Bad boys, bad boys...watcha gonna do? - GMDino - 09-07-2017 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/cobb-county-georgia-officer-dashcam-footage-we-only-kill-black-n797721 Quote:Cobb County, Georgia, Officer in Dashcam Video: ‘We Only Kill Black People’ Maybe it was just a "poor joke"? Anyway...he was NOT fired. He retired. With full benefits. Quote:Cobb County police Lt. Greg Abbott stood to lose his job for the remarks. But Cobb County Public Safety Director Samuel Heaton said Friday the department had received an e-mail from Abbott requesting immediate retirement. RE: Bad boys, bad boys...watcha gonna do? - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 09-07-2017 (09-07-2017, 10:57 AM)GMDino Wrote: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/cobb-county-georgia-officer-dashcam-footage-we-only-kill-black-n797721 So, you're advocating that he should have been fired and lost a lifetime's work of pension and all his benefits? RE: Bad boys, bad boys...watcha gonna do? - GMDino - 09-07-2017 (09-07-2017, 11:21 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: So, you're advocating that he should have been fired and lost a lifetime's work of pension and all his benefits? I'm merely sharing the story. There probably should have been some form of investigation to see if this was a pattern with the officer...but he took the easy way out instead. I do wonder about someone getting full retirement benefits even if they are fired. Is that fired for *any* reason? If so they have a GREAT union. RE: Bad boys, bad boys...watcha gonna do? - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 09-07-2017 (09-07-2017, 11:32 AM)GMDino Wrote: I'm merely sharing the story. This level of disingenuousness is why I, and many others, have so little respect for your opinions. Quote:There probably should have been some form of investigation to see if this was a pattern with the officer...but he took the easy way out instead. Let's see, on one hand you can go through an investigative process, fueled by media outrage (read up on negative outcome bias) and possibly be fired and lose your benefits. On the other hand you can retire and not deal with all that bullshit and secure your pension and benefits. Seems to me the "easy way out" is actually the smart way out. Of course, the really smart way out is to not say something so insanely stupid in the first place. Quote:I do wonder about someone getting full retirement benefits even if they are fired. Is that fired for *any* reason? If so they have a GREAT union. No, if you are fired for cause you do not get your benefits in many (most?) instances, hence the smart move being to retire. RE: Bad boys, bad boys...watcha gonna do? - GMDino - 09-07-2017 (09-07-2017, 11:38 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: This level of disingenuousness is why I, and many others, have so little respect for your opinions. I didn't know they had an election for a spokesperson. Congrats! (09-07-2017, 11:38 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Let's see, on one hand you can go through an investigative process, fueled by media outrage (read up on negative outcome bias) and possibly be fired and lose your benefits. On the other hand you can retire and not deal with all that bullshit and secure your pension and benefits. Seems to me the "easy way out" is actually the smart way out. Of course, the really smart way out is to not say something so insanely stupid in the first place. Seems like something someone would do when they have something to hide/don't want investigated? If only ordinary citizens could do the same when falsely accused/arrested. Just say nah, I don't want an investigation and walk away. Instead they get charged with "resisting arrest" when they were being wrongly arrested anyway. (09-07-2017, 11:38 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: No, if you are fired for cause you do not get your benefits in many (most?) instances, hence the smart move being to retire. The article said he would get his full benefits even if he was fired. |