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RE: Creationist Ken Ham Blames Atheists For Ark Park Failure - Matt_Crimson - 06-25-2017 (06-25-2017, 04:29 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: Regarding your clearly stated inquiry above. Someone would think god would avoid incestuous procreation because it is sub-optimal, leads to genetic abnormalities and in many cases is forced on younger unwilling participants. Would you not agree? In relation to the time period that we're speaking of? No. You would have to assume that such conditions are applicable to the times in which you are applying them to. RE: Creationist Ken Ham Blames Atheists For Ark Park Failure - Vas Deferens - 06-25-2017 (06-25-2017, 04:54 PM)Matt_Crimson Wrote: In relation to the time period that we're speaking of? No. You would have to assume that such conditions are applicable to the times in which you are applying them to. What time was this? And honestly, how old do you believe noah was at the time he built the arc? RE: Creationist Ken Ham Blames Atheists For Ark Park Failure - 6andcounting - 06-25-2017 Regardless if life started on a big ass boat or from some sort of magic lightning strike that turned invisible molecules into the stuff I drink in my preworkouts, didn't all species stem back from a mere pair of ancestors? RE: Creationist Ken Ham Blames Atheists For Ark Park Failure - Vas Deferens - 06-25-2017 (06-25-2017, 08:47 PM)6andcounting Wrote: Regardless if life started on a big ass boat or from some sort of magic lightning strike that turned invisible molecules into the stuff I drink in my preworkouts, didn't all species stem back from a mere pair of ancestors? Possibly. Could have had a couple organism sets mutate into humans separately. But wouldn't an all knowing all powerful god thing that made multiples of everything else I presume, make multiples of its chosen creation? Any update on this guys age at the time of building this monsterous ship. RE: Creationist Ken Ham Blames Atheists For Ark Park Failure - samhain - 06-26-2017 (06-19-2017, 10:53 AM)Benton Wrote: I live about an hour or so from a place called Discovery Park. It's the half baked idea from a guy who lived in the middle of nowhere and went on to build the chain store Kirklands. He wanted to bring a bit of the world (and some much needed tourism after their largest employer moved to Mexico), so he donated several million out of his own pocket and built a pretty kickass museum/children's learning center. I've been a half dozen times since it opened 4-5 years ago, and it stays full.Don't know, man. He certainly picked a good state for it. I honestly thought it was doing pretty okay for awhile. I took my wife and 4-year-old son to La Rosa's in Dry Ridge late one evening last September. We were on the way back to Lexington from Kings Island after my company's annual picnic. It was about 8pm and they were swamped. I asked if it was all people from my employer, and the waitress told me it was largely traffic from the Ark Park. It was much newer then so maybe that had people going to check it out. I've been to just about every zoo, museum and aquarium worth going to in this country. Some of them multiple times. I've been to a lot of the major amusement parks, too. I've been to some out-of-the-way shithole zoos and tourist traps, too. All of them had something that I was willing to pay or drive a long distance to see or do. If the Ark Park had something like this, I'd go regardless of the message. They don't. It's as basic as it gets in terms of collection. I guess if a giant boat that doesn't do boat things was interesting to me, then I would. RE: Creationist Ken Ham Blames Atheists For Ark Park Failure - Vas Deferens - 06-26-2017 Anyone know a good carpenter with at least 500 years experience? I have space ship I need built. RE: Creationist Ken Ham Blames Atheists For Ark Park Failure - GMDino - 07-18-2017 http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2017/07/17/creationists-have-sold-ark-encounter-to-themselves-for-10-to-avoid-taxes/ Quote:Creationists Have Sold Ark Encounter. To Themselves. For $10. To Avoid Taxes. RE: Creationist Ken Ham Blames Atheists For Ark Park Failure - Benton - 07-18-2017 (07-18-2017, 12:37 PM)GMDino Wrote: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2017/07/17/creationists-have-sold-ark-encounter-to-themselves-for-10-to-avoid-taxes/ I was reading that in a local paper this morning. Basically, the locals are expecting the $10 sale to mean the business is trying to become a non-profit. Which — if that happens — means the state really, really screwed up. The justification for giving the Ark tax breaks was that it was going to be an income generator, not a religious exhibit. It hasn't generated much in local income and, if this happens, it won't generate anything in taxes. Instead it will just cost municipalities more as they have to repair roads, pick up litter, etc. RE: Creationist Ken Ham Blames Atheists For Ark Park Failure - Belsnickel - 07-18-2017 I'm not up to date on all of the laws surrounding this, but I am fairly certain that the non-profit arm could lose their non-profit status if they aren't careful as a result of this. There are often laws in place to prevent abuse of these sorts of things, especially for tax evasion, which is what is happening here. RE: Creationist Ken Ham Blames Atheists For Ark Park Failure - michaelsean - 07-18-2017 I blame whoever gave them breaks in the first place for this dumbass thing. RE: Creationist Ken Ham Blames Atheists For Ark Park Failure - Benton - 07-18-2017 (07-18-2017, 01:36 PM)michaelsean Wrote: I blame whoever gave them breaks in the first place for this dumbass thing. http://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/politics/ky-governor/2016/04/26/ark-park-tax-incentives-worth-up-18m-approved/83540204/ Quote:A state board restocked last week with new appointees by Gov. Matt Bevin has quietly approved the long-sought tax incentives worth up to $18 million for the controversial Noah’s Ark theme park due to open this summer in Grant County. Basically, Bevin asked for tax breaks from a state appointed board. They said "hey, we've got a pension crisis and other stuff to do... so, no." Bevin fired them, appointed a new board and the new paid appointees said "how many millions can we give them?" RE: Creationist Ken Ham Blames Atheists For Ark Park Failure - GMDino - 07-18-2017 (07-18-2017, 01:58 PM)Benton Wrote: RE: Creationist Ken Ham Blames Atheists For Ark Park Failure - samhain - 07-19-2017 (07-18-2017, 01:58 PM)Benton Wrote: Man, I dislike that clown as much as the next guy, but the planning and approval for the tax breaks came during the Beshear years. Blame Bevin for allowing this insult to Kentucky's taxpayers to be perpetuated, but blame someone else for it's coming about. He was nobody but a joker trying to challenge Mitch McConnell (and getting his ass handed to him) when this idea came about. RE: Creationist Ken Ham Blames Atheists For Ark Park Failure - Vlad - 07-19-2017 (06-18-2017, 07:37 AM)GMDino Wrote: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2017/06/creationist-ken-ham-blames-atheists-ark-park-failure/ A letter from God giving props to atheists? This mega failure by Ham may even turn God into an atheist. RE: Creationist Ken Ham Blames Atheists For Ark Park Failure - Benton - 07-19-2017 (07-19-2017, 01:01 AM)samhain Wrote: Man, I dislike that clown as much as the next guy, but the planning and approval for the tax breaks came during the Beshear years. Blame Bevin for allowing this insult to Kentucky's taxpayers to be perpetuated, but blame someone else for it's coming about. He was nobody but a joker trying to challenge Mitch McConnell (and getting his ass handed to him) when this idea came about. Yes, and no. From the earlier link. Quote:In 2010, former Gov. Steve Beshear initially warmly embraced the ark project as one that would draw thousands of tourists to Kentucky. And the park’s initial application for incentives was approved by the authority in 2011. But that application was for a larger project, and Answers in Genesis ran into financing problems and had to withdraw its application. The Christian ministry came back later with a smaller project that still retained the main attraction – the ark - and it won preliminary approval by the authority in the summer of 2014. Beshear was initially for it, and supported tax breaks. But that was when it was supposed to be like a Six Flags for Christians, a theme park with a religious theme. But more of a park and less religion. When it became more about religion and less about a park, Beshear and the board backed off the incentives. Plus, the pension crisis was coming to a head and State Reps (where dems were in control) were trying to bring all spending to a halt so they could come up with enough money to push the impending crisis back a little. They didn't want to be out the tax dollars, at least in the short term. Then the election, where Bevin pushed to bring the incentives back regardless of the purpose of the park. RE: Creationist Ken Ham Blames Atheists For Ark Park Failure - GMDino - 07-21-2017 Ruh roh... Quote:Kentucky Officials Have Ended the $18 Million Tax Rebate Deal With Ark Encounter http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2017/07/21/kentucky-officials-have-ended-the-18-million-tax-rebate-deal-with-ark-encounter/ RE: Creationist Ken Ham Blames Atheists For Ark Park Failure - Vlad - 07-21-2017 (07-21-2017, 05:31 PM)GMDino Wrote: Ruh roh... We already knew Creationists were ignorant about science. And all Muslims are terrorists. Approx 50% of scientists are creationists. https://answersingenesis.org/creation-scientists/ RE: Creationist Ken Ham Blames Atheists For Ark Park Failure - samhain - 07-22-2017 (07-19-2017, 11:11 AM)Benton Wrote: Yes, and no. From the earlier link. I wasn't aware of that. I thought things were baked into the cake by the time governor Bailout got elected. I think the end of the tax break is the beginning of the end for the park. I don't know how you'd get the real numbers for revenue and attendance, but Ken Ham blaming atheists for poor attendance and lack of local economic stimulation can't be a good sign for them. Perhaps they are salient but not anything close to what they were selling the state on when they got the tax breaks. Perhaps they are in the toilet. Time will tell, I guess. RE: Creationist Ken Ham Blames Atheists For Ark Park Failure - THE Bigzoman - 07-22-2017 It's always fun to point and laugh at creationists and the religious right. So many people/groups have exceeded their stupidity in recent years. It seems like people forgot they existed. RE: Creationist Ken Ham Blames Atheists For Ark Park Failure - Belsnickel - 07-22-2017 (07-21-2017, 10:04 PM)Vlad Wrote: We already knew Creationists were ignorant about science. Unless they are including scientists that say God created the universe and did so in a evolutionary way, that numer is whoa nelly too high. |