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RE: Cocaine in the West Wing - hollodero - 07-06-2023 (07-06-2023, 03:41 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Fox is more egregious, but the MSM makes up for that in sheer numbers. Aaaaah, that is tricky logic... ...say I run some great media network, lauded by everyone for being so fair and balanced and excellent, hugely popular, but there is still a slight mistake at times, one always seen by millions. Does this make up for the egeregiousness of someone else who publishes the most vile and fake information, but only a few people see it? And yes, this is my way of calling the mainstream media fair and balanced and excellent. Because they absolutely are. (07-06-2023, 03:41 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: It's not really a diagnosis. Any substance abuse counselor will tell you the same thing. Any recovery program is better than none, but if you have a serious substance abuse program and you can afford to do it (and by afford I don't mean just money, I mean the time commitment required), you go to in-patient treatment if you're serious about recovery. I've literally heard that exact line hundreds of times in various trainings. Which doesn't even account for my personal experiences with addicts, both in my personal and professional life, which are extensive. I get it. I'm just saying that you can't know for certain and it's difficult to claim that you more or less can. I get that what you call in-patient treatment probably has a far bigger success rate, but that doesn't mean there isn't any other way that could possibly work. There are people that got clean without expensive programs, after all. And you can't also know what Hunter is actually doing, maybe he has some life-coach/therapeut person around him most of his days. To call his sobriety failed when it's not really confirmed seems a bit rushed. Not that I would seriously believe that he's fine. RE: Cocaine in the West Wing - GMDino - 07-06-2023 (07-06-2023, 03:22 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Secret insight? No. What I have is over two decades of experience with drug addicts. He has a severe drug problem. He is also not in an in-patient treatment center. If an addict is serious about recovery they check into in-patient treatment. The Biden's are very wealthy, so cost is not an issue. Also, we're talking in-patient for a significant time period for someone with his addiction issues. So, to be clear, your "experience" (here we go again) allows to you pass judgement on someone you have never met. I find that disturbing, especially as he has attempted many times to free himself from addiction. https://stonegatecenter.com/blog/2021/05/19/recovery-stories-hunter-bidens-struggle-with-addiction/ Quote:Hunter’s Many Interventions[url=https://www.addictioncenter.com/addiction/addiction-statistics/][/url] It's been my experience that addicts sometimes take multiple attempts to get clean. I've seen too many fail and never get to that clean point. And some aren't in those facilities you mention for the rest of their lives. But the Biden family love and support through it all, mocked (of course) by Trump and his acolytes, leads me to believe that if he still has a "sever drug problem" it's the greatest cover up since the October Surprise. Not that I would ever doubt your prowess at knowing things. However I would say that maybe we should admire his attempts at sobriety rather than continuously bash him for his past failures that he openly admits too. https://www.npr.org/2021/04/05/983385027/hunter-biden-says-his-family-never-gave-up-on-him RE: Cocaine in the West Wing - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 07-06-2023 (07-06-2023, 04:06 PM)hollodero Wrote: Aaaaah, that is tricky logic... Cheeky. Quote:I get it. I'm just saying that you can't know for certain and it's difficult to claim that you more or less can. I get that what you call in-patient treatment probably has a far bigger success rate, but that doesn't mean there isn't any other way that could possibly work. There are people that got clean without expensive programs, after all. And you can't also know what Hunter is actually doing, maybe he has some life-coach/therapeut person around him most of his days. To call his sobriety failed when it's not really confirmed seems a bit rushed. Not that I would seriously believe that he's fine. I can only go off what I see and what I know of the process. Someone with that much money can afford absolutely obscene in-patient programs. Having a bodyguard/life coach is not a serious avenue of treatment, it's a stop gap measure. It's also frequently used by wealthy people as a way to avoid in-patient care. It doesn't work. See Artie Lange as a prime example. I know you have zero idea who he is, or rather I'd be very surprised if you did, but his example is textbook in this regard. As you say, not everyone's recovery is the same, but there are things that work and things that don't, and the percentages aren't small in regards to the difference. RE: Cocaine in the West Wing - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 07-06-2023 (07-06-2023, 05:16 PM)GMDino Wrote: So, to be clear, your "experience" (here we go again) allows to you pass judgement on someone you have never met. I've been very clear about what I'm saying. If you have comprehension issues I don't know what I can do for you. Oh, the last sentence from your linked article is rather interesting; If you, or someone you know, is struggling with an addiction, it’s important to extend some love, support, and a helping hand. Plan an intervention if possible and look for a good treatment facility to get your loved one on the road to recovery. What does look for a good treatment facility mean? Hmmmmmmmmm. Also, admire Hunter Biden? RE: Cocaine in the West Wing - GMDino - 07-06-2023 (07-06-2023, 05:31 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I've been very clear about what I'm saying. If you have comprehension issues I don't know what I can do for you. Indeed. It seems he may have gone to one, or at least done something to get help. I'll take his word about it over your assumptions about it. I said admire his attempts at sobriety, not every bad thing he's ever done. Apparently you have never done a bad thing? Apparently you aren't friends with people who have done things they regret? You're in a field that deals with the worst kinds of people. I'd hope you want them to become better people and that you WOULD admire them for their efforts no matter what they did. Maybe I give you too much credit. RE: Cocaine in the West Wing - hollodero - 07-06-2023 (07-06-2023, 05:20 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I can only go off what I see and what I know of the process. Yeah, and that's where I see the issue. Which in no way is belittling your knowledge and experience, but there are just limits of what you can know for certain when it comes to Hunter. It reminds me how I felt when some news anchors invited established psychologists, that sure knew their stuff, to diagnose Trump and claim he clearly has a narcissistic personality disorder. I felt uneasy, like they should not declare that a fact from a distance in good conscience. But sure, I also felt that they're probably right, he is pretty narcissistic after all. And I have a similar unease here. While I also think you're probably right about Hunter. It is quite likely given the illustrated circumstances. RE: Cocaine in the West Wing - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 07-06-2023 (07-06-2023, 05:47 PM)hollodero Wrote: Yeah, I get what you're saying, and if we were talking about an issue with a bit more nuance to it, like mental health issues, I'd be 100% behind you. But when it comes to addiction treatment the statistics are very clear. If you are serious about recovery and you have the means you go to in-patient treatment. I've literally taken people to Tarzana Treatment Centers myself to ensure they got there, because when they finally ask to go you know they're serious about dealing with their problem. I know Hunter wasn't in treatment on the 4th (and his behavior on the balcony was a bit odd, but on that I agree with you completely and I won't speculate). I know that in-patient is the only route to long term success for the vast, vast majority of people. Also, as you concur, he has a horrific track record and doesn't strike me as a particularly good or remorseful person. This is, of course, based on what is publicly known about him, but there's a lot of info there and pretty much none of it is good. RE: Cocaine in the West Wing - hollodero - 07-06-2023 (07-06-2023, 05:57 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Yeah, I get what you're saying, and if we were talking about an issue with a bit more nuance to it, like mental health issues, I'd be 100% behind you. But when it comes to addiction treatment the statistics are very clear. If you are serious about recovery and you have the means you go to in-patient treatment. I've literally taken people to Tarzana Treatment Centers myself to ensure they got there, because when they finally ask to go you know they're serious about dealing with their problem. Alright, alright... I will leave my hill now. RE: Cocaine in the West Wing - pally - 07-06-2023 (07-06-2023, 05:57 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Yeah, I get what you're saying, and if we were talking about an issue with a bit more nuance to it, like mental health issues, I'd be 100% behind you. But when it comes to addiction treatment the statistics are very clear. If you are serious about recovery and you have the means you go to in-patient treatment. I've literally taken people to Tarzana Treatment Centers myself to ensure they got there, because when they finally ask to go you know they're serious about dealing with their problem. exactly what was "odd" about his behavior that said he was high? RE: Cocaine in the West Wing - hollodero - 07-06-2023 (07-06-2023, 05:40 PM)GMDino Wrote: Indeed. It seems he may have gone to one, or at least done something to get help. I'll take his word about it over your assumptions about it. I mean... that is a tough sell. Besides being an addict, this guy also has all these tax issues, this not registering as a foreign agent thing, and all this sitting on shady Ukrainian energy company boards and selling his name stuff, lieing on a gun purchase permit ain't that swell, not to mention whatever is known about his laptop content and his private life, which is pretty bad. These are character issues beyond a possible addiction fight that make admiration hard to achieve. RE: Cocaine in the West Wing - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 07-06-2023 (07-06-2023, 06:16 PM)hollodero Wrote: Alright, alright... I will leave my hill now. No, you're raising fair points, and honestly most people would make similar statements and comparisons. RE: Cocaine in the West Wing - hollodero - 07-06-2023 (07-06-2023, 06:43 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: No, you're raising fair points, and honestly most people would make similar statements and comparisons. Oh, sure, the most people part does not feel as good as probably intended, but I did not mean to express that I don't think my points were fair. It rather was meant in a "I guess I have spent enough time to defend Hunter against an allegation that is probably true and even if not, it's still Hunter"-way. There are just nicer hills to die on. RE: Cocaine in the West Wing - Luvnit2 - 07-06-2023 It appears the WH spokesperson lied about the location the cocaine was found in the West Wing. Brett Baier reporting the cocaine was found near the entry close to the situation room, an off limits area for tourists. It is heavily trafficked area, but no tours are permitted in this area. NBC News https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/cocaine-found-white-house-was-different-location-previously-reported-s-rcna92906 The cocaine was found in an entrance area between the foyer and a lower-level lobby, the sources said. The entrance is near where some vehicles, like the vice president’s limo or SUV park. It is one floor below the main West Wing offices and the same floor as the Situation Room and a dining area. If true (I trust Baier of anyone on the air), why did Jean and the white house lie about it being in a tourist area. Trust is earned, the Biden administration either lies or Joe Biden or Kamala smile and refuses to answer questions. Biden was also called out by WAPO for lying about the debt. He said he decrease by 1.7 trillion. https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/16/politics/fact-check-biden-deficit-minimum-tax/index.html Washington CNN — President Joe Biden falsely said on Wednesday that his new corporate minimum tax is the reason the federal budget deficit declined in 2021 and 2022. In reality, that tax didn’t even come into effect until the beginning of 2023. Biden has repeatedly taken credit for reducing the deficit in 2021 and 2022 even though experts have said that the vast majority of this reduction occurred simply because emergency Covid-19 pandemic spending from 2020 expired as planned – and that Biden’s own initiatives made the deficits higher than they otherwise would be RE: Cocaine in the West Wing - basballguy - 07-06-2023 (07-06-2023, 07:15 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: It appears the WH spokesperson lied about the location the cocaine was found in the West Wing. Brett Baier reporting the cocaine was found near the entry close to the situation room, an off limits area for tourists. It is heavily trafficked area, but no tours are permitted in this area. Wouldn't ever had known the west wing was big for trafficking drugs. RE: Cocaine in the West Wing - Luvnit2 - 07-06-2023 (07-06-2023, 07:23 PM)basballguy Wrote: Wouldn't ever had known the west wing was big for trafficking drugs. It wasn't until Hunter moved in. Nice pun. RE: Cocaine in the West Wing - GMDino - 07-06-2023 (07-06-2023, 06:32 PM)hollodero Wrote: I mean... that is a tough sell. Yep. No one said he was an angel or even a good guy. But most of the accusations and actual crimes occurred while he was an an active addict. I would hope he is getting clean now and if he is he has a lot to make for. I'd still give him more credit for trying to turn his life around no matter his age or what he has done to himself, than blanketly accuse him of being an active addict for no other reason than he is a Biden. I'm talking about a human being...not a political talking point. RE: Cocaine in the West Wing - GMDino - 07-06-2023 (07-06-2023, 06:23 PM)pally Wrote: exactly what was "odd" about his behavior that said he was high? His "experience". 20+ spotless years as an LEO and his training has taught him to "read people". He "knows" things you don't even know about yourself! RE: Cocaine in the West Wing - Leon - 07-06-2023 (07-06-2023, 08:29 PM)GMDino Wrote: His "experience". sorry. i would take a cops take over yours anyday on stuff like this. i would say he knows what hes talking about RE: Cocaine in the West Wing - GMDino - 07-06-2023 (07-06-2023, 09:15 PM)Leon Wrote: sorry. i would take a cops take over yours anyday on stuff like this. i would say he knows what hes talking about Color me surprised Leon. RE: Cocaine in the West Wing - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 07-06-2023 (07-06-2023, 08:29 PM)GMDino Wrote: His "experience". All about "experts" until they disagree with you. Tsk, tsk. Hypocrisy is a common character trait for the ideologue, so this is hardly surprising. |