(11-09-2016, 09:07 AM)GMDino Wrote: Someone on ABC, early in the evening said this was a "punch to the face of the elites".

I disagreed then and still do now.

The VAST majority of incumbents were re-elected.  The only change is the Presidency.  

So if one of the themes is "not liking career politicians"  why did so many get re-elected?

(11-10-2016, 10:00 AM)Bengalzona Wrote: The election of Trump is viewed by many of his supporters as a "punch to the face of the elites". Which is somewhat fascinating seeing how he is a billionaire from New York City... sort of the very definition of elite and everything his supporters are not. 

Democrats need to realize at this point that the GOP played the politics in this election masterfully. Democrats need to shut their mouths at this point, observe and analyze, and re-assess pretty much everything (especially how their message is being delivered and received). 

(11-10-2016, 10:00 AM)Bengalzona Wrote: The election of Trump is viewed by many of his supporters as a "punch to the face of the elites". Which is somewhat fascinating seeing how he is a billionaire from New York City... sort of the very definition of elite and everything his supporters are not. 

Democrats need to realize at this point that the GOP played the politics in this election masterfully. Democrats need to shut their mouths at this point, observe and analyze, and re-assess pretty much everything (especially how their message is being delivered and received). 

(11-10-2016, 01:19 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I think this is the biggest issue. I know I often point to the hate displayed by the accepting in this forum.

I think the biggest mistake Hillary made in the election was where she called half of Trump supporters a basket of deployables ( a sentiment echoed here). That very moment she kissed goodbye any undecided Conservative.

If you want to be accepting of others, be accepting of others.

(11-10-2016, 01:26 PM)GMDino Wrote: However I do take a little umbrage with that bolded statement.  I will not be accepting of the racists or sexists.  Doesn't matter who they support.

(11-10-2016, 01:49 PM)bfine32 Wrote: What exactly does "not being accepting" mean? I think we should strive to educate and allow our State and National laws set the perimeters. For instance I think marriage is between a man and a woman; however, I treat homosexuals no differen and "accept" them. The laws of the nation state they can marry and I support that.  

You call someone bigot, racist, homophobe, ect...is no different than refering to anyone else by any other slur. They are going to be unreceptive of the message that follows.

(11-10-2016, 10:00 AM)Bengalzona Wrote: The election of Trump is viewed by many of his supporters as a "punch to the face of the elites". Which is somewhat fascinating seeing how he is a billionaire from New York City... sort of the very definition of elite and everything his supporters are not. 

Democrats need to realize at this point that the GOP played the politics in this election masterfully. Democrats need to shut their mouths at this point, observe and analyze, and re-assess pretty much everything (especially how their message is being delivered and received). 

(11-10-2016, 02:10 PM)wildcats forever Wrote: Yep, and the first step is admitting the problems they have to overcome......if they can actually do that. The entire primary fiasco alone was enough to get their opponent elected. The point you made elsewhere about building from the local level on up is what needs to happen. That's where the Millennials can succeed. Get the Democratic Party re-established at the city, county, and state levels again. And become the party with good ideas and how to implement them. 

(11-10-2016, 02:13 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: At the risk of being stoned for saying it, I think Trump will end up being more of an ally to Dems than either House of Congress.

(11-10-2016, 02:20 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: Unfortunately for Democrats, that process takes decades to build and, as a result, takes a massive commitment and patience. The only way a political party develops those traits is from political disaster such as Watergate. I'm not sure that this election qualifies (though it should, IMO).

This is a fundamental lesson in life. When one group tries to beat another group down, the second group arises stronger. That which doesn't kill you, makes you stronger.

(11-10-2016, 02:20 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: Unfortunately for Democrats, that process takes decades to build and, as a result, takes a massive commitment and patience. The only way a political party develops those traits is from political disaster such as Watergate. I'm not sure that this election qualifies (though it should, IMO).

This is a fundamental lesson in life. When one group tries to beat another group down, the second group arises stronger. That which doesn't kill you, makes you stronger.

(11-16-2016, 09:12 AM)6andcounting Wrote: President-elect Trump was playing 4d Chess all along. Chris Christie and all the lobbyists he appointed have been purged.

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-transition-team-lobbyists-2016-11

(11-16-2016, 09:12 AM)6andcounting Wrote: President-elect Trump was playing 4d Chess all along. Chris Christie and all the lobbyists he appointed have been purged.

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-transition-team-lobbyists-2016-11

(11-16-2016, 09:48 AM)GMDino Wrote: I think part of this is Trump and his team never thought he'd win so they didn't have a plan at all, and the other part is they will still have his business buddies and insiders in there but it won't be names we all know and love.

(11-16-2016, 09:48 AM)GMDino Wrote: I think part of this is Trump and his team never thought he'd win so they didn't have a plan at all, and the other part is they will still have his business buddies and insiders in there but it won't be names we all know and love.