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RE: Mass shootings - Nately120 - 02-23-2018 (02-23-2018, 05:30 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Very few folks want to shoot anybody, so I'd imagine a teacher would be no different. I hear ya, but adding "might have to shoot someone" to a job description is something that probably doesn't come up much. Like I said, this could just turn into being "just the way it is." When people sign up to be cops, or join the army, or be teachers they know what they're getting into from now on. You just have to feel for the people who are caught mid-stream who entered the teaching profession without foreseeing this sort of thing. RE: Mass shootings - bfine32 - 02-23-2018 (02-23-2018, 05:11 PM)GMDino Wrote: I don't want you to think that was an attack. Yours was not taken as an attack. And my mentality may not be that of many educators. Hell, I work on a Military Installation and I cannot carry. RE: Mass shootings - bfine32 - 02-23-2018 (02-23-2018, 05:31 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I hear ya, but adding "might have to shoot someone" to a job description is something that probably doesn't come up much. Like I said, this could just turn into being "just the way it is." When people sign up to be cops, or join the army, or be teachers they know what they're getting into from now on. As I said: no teacher should be forced to carry, but we might want to explore giving the well trained the option. RE: Mass shootings - Nately120 - 02-23-2018 (02-23-2018, 05:33 PM)bfine32 Wrote: As I said: no teacher should be forced to carry, but we might want to explore giving the well trained the option. I'm thinking less about the carrying and more about the fact that we have created a country where teachers legitimately feel the need to go to work armed and prepared to fight/kill/die. It's just a new area, but other jobs are dangerous and this is just a new look for the profession, I guess. Again, it's just resignation to this being the way things are. Then again, I don't have kids so I guess it doesn't affect me. RE: Mass shootings - fredtoast - 02-23-2018 First of all "School security" and "gun control" are two totally separate issues. It seems to me that many people are rejecting the arming of teachers because they think it is "giving in" on the issue of gun control. I agree that we should not force teachers to carry guns, but I still don't know how everyone can be against allowing teachers to carry guns to school if they want to. Teachers are supposed to be educated professionals, and I am sure they would have to be screened and trained before allowing them to carry at school. And it has to be a secret. No one can know which teachers are armed. So it doesn't matter if none of them are armed. the threat of one of them being armed would keep schools from being such tempting "soft" targets. RE: Mass shootings - Belsnickel - 02-23-2018 (02-23-2018, 07:11 PM)fredtoast Wrote: First of all "School security" and "gun control" are two totally separate issues. Police have to train and qualify on their weapons on a regular basis. A trained shooter like a police officer has a 30% chance of hitting a moving target. I really don't expect us to include that type of firearms training into everything else a teacher has to deal with, so the idea of teachers trying to deal with one of those situations is one that concerns me. In addition to that, when law enforcement does arrive it could prove to be dangerous to have armed teachers on scene. I got distracted while typing this and so lost my train of thought. Long story short, I can think of a number of reasons why arming teachers is not a great idea. RE: Mass shootings - bfine32 - 02-23-2018 (02-23-2018, 07:11 PM)fredtoast Wrote: First of all "School security" and "gun control" are two totally separate issues. I think the issue is that many buy into the hyperbole. A suggestion that allowing trained educators that desire to discretely carry a weapon quickly morphs into every teacher is forced to walk around looking like Rambo. RE: Mass shootings - Belsnickel - 02-23-2018 (02-23-2018, 07:41 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I think the issue is that many buy into the hyperbole. A suggestion that allowing trained educators that desire to discretely carry a weapon quickly morphs into every teacher is forced to walk around looking like Rambo. I haven't bought into it, but some of the memes the hyperbole has generated can be hilarious. RE: Mass shootings - Nately120 - 02-23-2018 (02-23-2018, 07:41 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I think the issue is that many buy into the hyperbole. A suggestion that allowing trained educators that desire to discretely carry a weapon quickly morphs into every teacher is forced to walk around looking like Rambo. I might be less inclined to buy into that hyperbole if it didn't seem like our government's chief goal is to sell firearms. RE: Mass shootings - Bengalzona - 02-23-2018 (02-23-2018, 08:12 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I might be less inclined to buy into that hyperbole if it didn't seem like our government's chief goal is to sell firearms. That's still a side-business. Selling votes will always be their main goal. RE: Mass shootings - BmorePat87 - 02-23-2018 There's already a shortage of teachers. Adding guns to the mix will mean a bigger shortage. I would absolutely find a new job if people carried at my school. Others have said the same thing. RE: Mass shootings - bfine32 - 02-23-2018 (02-23-2018, 09:04 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: There's already a shortage of teachers. Adding guns to the mix will mean a bigger shortage. I would absolutely find a new job if people carried at my school. Others have said the same thing. Why would knowing that a coworker was allowed to conceal carry make you and others change professions? Seems like the commitment to the children would trump personal agenda. I know it's going to be hard to not view that as a slight; however, I'm genuinely curious what about the proposal would cause you and others to abandon their profession. RE: Mass shootings - GMDino - 02-23-2018 Now the POTUS is pushing arming teachers as the only way to prevent school shootings. Mainly because teachers lover their students more than guards do. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-predicts-quick-action-background-checks-bump-stocks/story?id=53312593 Quote:President Donald Trump Friday continued his call to arm more teachers with guns to protect schools - saying that would be better than a security guard who "doesn't love the children." RE: Mass shootings - Goalpost - 02-23-2018 Heard an idea today. One town had a crowding problem in their municipal building. So they exported their cops out to the schools. Basically when you entered school property, you saw police cars and administration on the grounds. That's where they worked. RE: Mass shootings - bfine32 - 02-23-2018 (02-23-2018, 10:21 PM)Goalpost Wrote: Heard an idea today. One town had a crowding problem in their municipal building. So they exported their cops out to the schools. Basically when you entered school property, you saw police cars and administration on the grounds. That's where they worked. IDK how I feel about this. Not sure the kids should be sharing a facility with law enforcement. Now an annex on the grounds could be an option. It's a sad state of affairs. RE: Mass shootings - Benton - 02-24-2018 (02-23-2018, 09:30 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Why would knowing that a coworker was allowed to conceal carry make you and others change professions? Seems like the commitment to the children would trump personal agenda. Because more guns around kids isn’t a real answer. Guns in the hands of kids, guns in the hands of untrained teachers, guns in the hands of angry adults. End of the day, the answer isn’t digging the hole deeper. (02-23-2018, 10:21 PM)Goalpost Wrote: Heard an idea today. One town had a crowding problem in their municipal building. So they exported their cops out to the schools. Basically when you entered school property, you saw police cars and administration on the grounds. That's where they worked. I worked in a small town that had something similar. There were two deputies during the day, two city officers. One deputy and one officer stayed on school grounds (only 600 kids in entire district). The cops had their own office in the schools (middle and high). I don’t know if it would work in larger districts, but it’s something that could be explored. RE: Mass shootings - Griever - 02-26-2018 we need to hurry and invent teleporters, that way when the next mass shooting happens, trump can run in there and face the shooter https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/26/politics/trump-florida-school-without-a-weapon/index.html RE: Mass shootings - fredtoast - 02-26-2018 (02-24-2018, 12:13 AM)Benton Wrote: Because more guns around kids isn’t a real answer. Guns in the hands of kids, guns in the hands of untrained teachers, guns in the hands of angry adults. End of the day, the answer isn’t digging the hole deeper. C'mon. No one is saying arm the kids. RE: Mass shootings - Benton - 02-26-2018 (02-26-2018, 04:51 PM)fredtoast Wrote: C'mon. No one is saying arm the kids. THAt was referencing the shooters. Kids with guns. Which has been an issue nothing suggested is addressing. RE: Mass shootings - Griever - 02-26-2018 (02-26-2018, 04:51 PM)fredtoast Wrote: C'mon. No one is saying arm the kids. not yet at least |