(05-17-2016, 12:44 AM)Rotobeast Wrote: This article really doesn't help the trans position.
This woman was afraid of a man in the ladies room.
Wouldn't the same effect happen when a trans woman rolls in there with a 5 o'clock shadow ?
Just seems ironic to me.

(05-16-2016, 11:19 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: http://http://www.acpeds.org/about-us

I see no mention of politics in there.

Quote:Mission of the College

The Mission of the American College of Pediatricians is to enable all children to reach their optimal physical and emotional health and well-being. To this end, we recognize the basic father-mother family unit, within the context of marriage, to be the optimal setting for childhood development, but pledge our support to all children, regardless of their circumstances.
Vision of the College
The American College of Pediatricians promotes a society where all children, from the moment of their conception, are valued unselfishly. We encourage mothers, fathers and families to advance the needs of their children above their own. We expect societal forces to support the two-parent, father-mother family unit and provide for children role models of ethical character and responsible behavior.
Core Values of the College
The American College of Pediatricians:

1. Recognizes that there are absolutes and scientific truths that transcend relative social considerations of the day.
2. Recognizes that good medical science cannot exist in a moral vacuum and pledges to promote such science.
3. Recognizes the fundamental mother-father family unit, within the context of marriage, to be the optimal setting for the development and nurturing of children and pledges to promote this unit.
4. Recognizes the unique value of every human life from the time of conception to natural death and pledges to promote research and clinical practice that provides for the healthiest outcome of the child from conception to adulthood.
5. Recognizes the essential role parents play in encouraging and correcting the child and pledges to protect and promote this role.
6. Recognizes the physical and emotional benefits of sexual abstinence until marriage and pledges to promote this behavior as the ideal for adolescence.
7. Recognizes that health professionals caring for children must maintain high ethical and scientific standards and pledges to promote such practice.
8. Recognizes the vital role the College has in promoting quality education for parents, physicians, and other health professionals.
   

Objectives of the College
The Objectives of the College are:

• To foster and stimulate improvements in all aspects of healthcare of infants, children, and adolescents;
• To promote the basic father-mother family unit as the optimal setting for childhood development, while pledging to support all children, regardless of their circumstances;
• To affirm that parents have the inalienable right and responsibility to educate and rear their children;
• To advocate for children at all stages of development, from conception to young adulthood;
• To cultivate and encourage parental responsibility for and involvement in the child’s life;
• To engender the honest interpretation of scientific pediatric research, without deference to current political persuasions;
• To promote the highest standards of medical practice among its Members and within the field of pediatrics;
• To encourage and support sound, ethical scientific research in all aspects of healthcare for infants, children, and adolescents; and
• To cooperate with other organizations having similar purposes and standards.
  
  
  History
  
  The American College of Pediatricians is a national organization of pediatricians and other healthcare professionals dedicated to the health and well-being of children. It was founded by a group of concerned physicians who saw the need for a pediatric organization that would not be influenced by the politically driven pronouncements of the day. The College bases its policies and positions upon scientific truth within a framework of ethical absolutes. Of particular importance to the founders were (as it is today) the sanctity of human life from conception to natural death and the importance of the fundamental mother-father family (female-male) unit in the rearing of children. The first official meeting of the newly formed college was held in Boston in October 2002. Since its inception, it has grown to have membership representation across the U.S. and in several other countries. The College’s home office is in Gainesville, Florida.
  

(05-17-2016, 01:10 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Really?





That about me page was literally filled with political messages. Compare it to the AAP, the group they broke away from. Maybe it's just me, but it seems odd that a pediatricians' group would focus so much on promoting the male-female parental unit as one of their main goals while the AAP cites a myriad of health and safety issues facing kids and teens as theirs. 

(05-17-2016, 01:10 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Really?





That about me page was literally filled with political messages. Compare it to the AAP, the group they broke away from. Maybe it's just me, but it seems odd that a pediatricians' group would focus so much on promoting the male-female parental unit as one of their main goals while the AAP cites a myriad of health and safety issues facing kids and teens as theirs. 

(05-17-2016, 12:44 AM)Rotobeast Wrote: This article really doesn't help the trans position.
This woman was afraid of a man in the ladies room.
Wouldn't the same effect happen when a trans woman rolls in there with a 5 o'clock shadow ?
Just seems ironic to me.

(05-17-2016, 01:00 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Personally I cannot believe Dino posted a link of a brown-skinned immigrant following a woman into the bathroom.

Haven't we had enough of that fear mongering?

(05-17-2016, 01:02 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Agreed.   This lady obviously had an agenda if she was going straight to Facebook with a video.    How many liberals take shots at Walmart....   

(05-17-2016, 01:00 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Personally I cannot believe Dino posted a link of a brown-skinned immigrant following a woman into the bathroom.

Haven't we had enough of that fear mongering?

(05-17-2016, 01:35 AM)bfine32 Wrote: I compared it to AAP and they are basically saying the same thing about GID. The ACP just chooses to use more assertive language:

https://www.aap.org/en-us/about-the-aap/aap-press-room/pages/Children-and-Adolescents-With-Gender-Identity-Disorder-Referred-to-a-Pediatric-Medical-Center.aspx?nfstatus=401&nftoken=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000&nfstatusdescription=ERROR:+No+local+token

(05-17-2016, 07:13 AM)GMDino Wrote: Which is why, if she was transgender she would want to use the ladies room.  fear of some "man" playing the role of law keeper based solely on her looks.


Who brought up / mentioned the race of any participant?  Oh yeah...the usual suspects.

H e who smelled it....


Yes, to use the bathroom.  Then, as a younger person, she went to social media.  They do that.  it is, as you say, the "proper" thing to do.

Oh and how very "I'm going to change the discussion" of you.

(05-17-2016, 10:02 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: It's legitimate to question this woman's motives.    She purposely butched up...    Most women are ashamed when you think they are a dude.   She was more than excited to go home and make a video and let everyone know she gets mistaken for a dude.   Oh and to tell us all she has a bf.    

Why she needs to announce she has a bf on her own Facebook is surprising .... Shouldn't it be apparent  when her friends see her daily routine?   Especially if she uses Facebook to the point she is making videos.   

No one shames themselves unless they have an agenda and she seems pretty hollow.    Especially considering this legitimately happens to others who aren't setting it up.   

(05-17-2016, 10:02 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: It's legitimate to question this woman's motives.    She purposely butched up...    Most women are ashamed when you think they are a dude.   She was more than excited to go home and make a video and let everyone know she gets mistaken for a dude.   Oh and to tell us all she has a bf.    

Why she needs to announce she has a bf on her own Facebook is surprising .... Shouldn't it be apparent  when her friends see her daily routine?   Especially if she uses Facebook to the point she is making videos.   

No one shames themselves unless they have an agenda and she seems pretty hollow.    Especially considering this legitimately happens to others who aren't setting it up.   

(05-17-2016, 10:02 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: It's legitimate to question this woman's motives.    She purposely butched up...    Most women are ashamed when you think they are a dude.   She was more than excited to go home and make a video and let everyone know she gets mistaken for a dude.   Oh and to tell us all she has a bf.    

Why she needs to announce she has a bf on her own Facebook is surprising .... Shouldn't it be apparent  when her friends see her daily routine?   Especially if she uses Facebook to the point she is making videos.   

No one shames themselves unless they have an agenda and she seems pretty hollow.    Especially considering this legitimately happens to others who aren't setting it up.   

(05-17-2016, 08:27 AM)Griever Wrote: you mean like the fear mongering going around that trans people molest and assault people?

(05-17-2016, 01:25 PM)PhilHos Wrote: I have not seen a single person that it's in favor of these bathroom bills claim such a thing. I have, however, seen people claim that predators would claim to be trans or whatever in order to facilitate their assaults on people.

(05-17-2016, 01:25 PM)PhilHos Wrote: I have not seen a single person that it's in favor of these bathroom bills claim such a thing. I have, however, seen people claim that predators would claim to be trans or whatever in order to facilitate their assaults on people.

(05-17-2016, 01:25 PM)PhilHos Wrote: I have not seen a single person that it's in favor of these bathroom bills claim such a thing. I have, however, seen people claim that predators would claim to be trans or whatever in order to facilitate their assaults on people.

(05-17-2016, 01:37 PM)Griever Wrote: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/anti-lgbt-group-testing-target-restrooms_us_5727928ce4b01a5ebde63950

the american family association is sending men into womens rooms to instill fear and transphobia in women and children

(05-17-2016, 01:49 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: And the problem is ?????    

That's what the guy in Seattle did ...  Now the city has no idea how to move forward.    

Women children should fear a man in their.   They are in a confined space with 1 exit and at a serious disadvantage physically.  

This whole bathroom debate could end with them just using the family bathroom.  Instead now we have schools allowing pepper spray to be taken to schools.    

Another reason this concern is real is because we are criminally soft on pedo's and rapists.  Which needs to change.

(05-17-2016, 02:08 PM)Griever Wrote: yeah lets spread irrational fear, that will show those scary, creepy, icky transgenders who is boss

you lost the war on gays, now you guys moved on to transgenders

again, i cant wait to see who you will target next

maybe male pedophiles that are republican/coaches/priests that molest little boys...wait no, nevermind, that won't happen because that ACTUALLY happens

(05-17-2016, 03:05 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: I don't have an issue with gays.   They at least know what they want.   Can't say the same for constant morphing of the power rangers.   

And for your information I have always been outspoken against pedo's.  Which I think is much more of an actual issue and our time should be spent on increasing penalties for them.   Instead we waste time on the bathroom desires of the mentally ill.  

(05-17-2016, 03:06 PM)Griever Wrote: whoa whoa whoa

what do the power rangers have to do with pedo's?