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RE: Russia and our election - hollodero - 07-10-2017 (07-10-2017, 05:01 PM)michaelsean Wrote: I looked it up on wikipedia, and if that's accurate, then no way. The vast majority of people are not white supremacists. Alright alright, I retract my comment. The counterarguments are overwhelming. I never meant to equate alt-right with white supremacists, though. But the terminology doesn't fit to what I was getting at. (07-10-2017, 04:07 PM)Dill Wrote: Last month I spent a week in rural Texas with my cousins (15 in number) who range in age from 54-72. 11 of that group voted for Trump, as did their spouses. I'm pretty sure none is alt-right. What I was getting at was just that say more extreme movements have an easier way to power when half the country is apolitical. And those who aren't are so strongly bound to one side that they won't reject those more extreme movements. Which in a sense does make those republicans and nolens volens Trump supporters complicit to the rise of the alt-right. In a sense. RE: Russia and our election - BmorePat87 - 07-10-2017 (07-09-2017, 12:49 AM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/07/08/trumps-campaign-team-met-with-a-russian-lawyer-believed-to-work/23022215/ At this point, it's just a waiting game for the Mueller investigation. This is a big flag, but most conservatives think any and all things Russia is "fake news". Donny Jr has admitted that he, the son in law turned advisor, and the campaign manager all sat down with a Kremlin linked lawyer on the pretense that this Russian had some information on Hillary they could use. So he tried to collude with Russia? RE: Russia and our election - GMDino - 07-10-2017 (07-10-2017, 07:31 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: At this point, it's just a waiting game for the Mueller investigation. This is a big flag, but most conservatives think any and all things Russia is "fake news". Donny Jr has admitted that he, the son in law turned advisor, and the campaign manager all sat down with a Kremlin linked lawyer on the pretense that this Russian had some information on Hillary they could use. So he tried to collude with Russia? But they didn't have the info so they just talked about foreign adoptions! Soooo...ignore why he wanted to meet with them. 'K? ![]() Be careful how you Define collusion with Trump Jr. - StLucieBengal - 07-11-2017 https://www.emptywheel.net/2017/07/10/be-careful-how-you-define-collusion-on-the-veselnitskaya-bombshell-and-the-steele-dossier/ Found this via Glenn Greenwald via his twitter feed and it was relevant due to the off the wall nature of how some of this Russia stuff is put out there by the leftist media. He has updated with the Trump Jr email. But since no one has actually seen this email who knows what the NYT ran with ..... For those who prefer to not read the whole thing. ![]() Quote:Be Careful How You Define Collusion: On the Veselnitskaya Bombshell and the Steele Dossier RE: Be careful how you Define collusion with Trump Jr. - ballsofsteel - 07-11-2017 Another diversion tactic, nothing more. IE, FAKE NEWS. All this so called "evidence" all of a sudden has nothing to do with the fact that Trump is in bed with the Russians and is a traitor. Him and his whole gang should be arrested for treason. MTGT RE: Russia and our election - ballsofsteel - 07-11-2017 (07-10-2017, 07:31 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: At this point, it's just a waiting game for the Mueller investigation. This is a big flag, but most conservatives think any and all things Russia is "fake news". Donny Jr has admitted that he, the son in law turned advisor, and the campaign manager all sat down with a Kremlin linked lawyer on the pretense that this Russian had some information on Hillary they could use. So he tried to collude with Russia? Donny jr. aka Fredo, is a dumb ass. He can't even lie right. He ask Paul metawhore to attend the meeting that was about adoption. LOL. Divert, divert. You will see the BS from Sarah Suckabee really crank up now. They're coming for you Orangie, its only a matter of time. RE: Be careful how you Define collusion with Trump Jr. - GMDino - 07-11-2017 Whether those meeting lead to "collusion" or not we will have to wait and see. However it is the LYING about it that is drawing attention. The "oh, I forgot that I was called to a meeting with the promise of dirt on Clinton" that makes it look bad. And it's coming from multiple members of the Trump team and administration. Maybe they only talked about adoption. I'm sure Clinton only talked about his grand-kids on the tarmac. ![]() RE: Be careful how you Define collusion with Trump Jr. - StLucieBengal - 07-11-2017 (07-11-2017, 08:10 AM)GMDino Wrote: Whether those meeting lead to "collusion" or not we will have to wait and see. I agree that changing the story isn't good but since this email which no one is read exists...... I wonder how much the NYT is stretching this into a story. We will see but defining this as collusion could spell trouble for everyone since they paid a foreign actor for the dossier. RE: Be careful how you Define collusion with Trump Jr. - Belsnickel - 07-11-2017 (07-11-2017, 09:26 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: I agree that changing the story isn't good but since this email which no one is read exists...... I wonder how much the NYT is stretching this into a story. I'm in favor of locking up every single one of them for it. Clinton and/or anyone in her team, any Republican that did it, all of them. But that's just me. RE: Be careful how you Define collusion with Trump Jr. - StLucieBengal - 07-11-2017 (07-11-2017, 10:02 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: I'm in favor of locking up every single one of them for it. Clinton and/or anyone in her team, any Republican that did it, all of them. But that's just me. Agreed. But they will never do this.... that's why the lock her up was never going to happen. Politicians will protect each other so they can preserve themselves later if needed. As far as I am concerned there are quite a few from the obama administration who should also be in jail for their actions. RE: Be careful how you Define collusion with Trump Jr. - michaelsean - 07-11-2017 Is this lady just a lawyer in Russia? I mean, if someone says they have dirt on your opponent, and you meet with them, I don't get the big deal where they come from. RE: Be careful how you Define collusion with Trump Jr. - michaelsean - 07-11-2017 (07-11-2017, 06:31 AM)ballsofsteel Wrote: Another diversion tactic, nothing more. IE, FAKE NEWS. All this so called "evidence" all of a sudden has nothing to do with the fact that Trump is in bed with the Russians and is a traitor. Him and his whole gang should be arrested for treason. What are they accused of that is treasonous? Not your opinion of treason, but actual treason. RE: Be careful how you Define collusion with Trump Jr. - Belsnickel - 07-11-2017 (07-11-2017, 10:09 AM)michaelsean Wrote: Is this lady just a lawyer in Russia? I mean, if someone says they have dirt on your opponent, and you meet with them, I don't get the big deal where they come from. She is well known to be a Kremlin connected attorney. I saw a Russia expert talking about it and saying it's one of those "worst kept secrets" types of things where they will deny it but everyone knows it to be true. So by working with her it would be working with a foreign government, and foreign government involvement in our elections process is (supposed to be) verbotten. RE: Be careful how you Define collusion with Trump Jr. - StLucieBengal - 07-11-2017 (07-11-2017, 10:09 AM)michaelsean Wrote: Is this lady just a lawyer in Russia? I mean, if someone says they have dirt on your opponent, and you meet with them, I don't get the big deal where they come from. (07-11-2017, 10:16 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: She is well known to be a Kremlin connected attorney. I saw a Russia expert talking about it and saying it's one of those "worst kept secrets" types of things where they will deny it but everyone knows it to be true. So by working with her it would be working with a foreign government, and foreign government involvement in our elections process is (supposed to be) verbotten. Getting dirt on an opponent would seem to be SOP for any campaign. What is questionable is the lengths some of these people will go. If the meeting went as junior stated then it should be nothing but some democrat senators grand standing at a hearing. RE: Be careful how you Define collusion with Trump Jr. - StLucieBengal - 07-11-2017 Now the adoption angle is interesting because I know for a fact his is a real concern over there. If it's anything like Don jr said then it should go away . RE: Be careful how you Define collusion with Trump Jr. - Belsnickel - 07-11-2017 (07-11-2017, 10:23 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Now the adoption angle is interesting because I know for a fact his is a real concern over there. Really, everything about it right now is circumstantial, at least as far as what the public knows. This includes Priebus being at Trump Tower that day as well. I'd like the public and the media to just let Mueller do his job. RE: Be careful how you Define collusion with Trump Jr. - StLucieBengal - 07-11-2017 (07-11-2017, 10:25 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: Really, everything about it right now is circumstantial, at least as far as what the public knows. This includes Priebus being at Trump Tower that day as well. I'd like the public and the media to just let Mueller do his job. Agreed. But CNN, NYT, and WaPo survives off Russia news. RE: Be careful how you Define collusion with Trump Jr. - Goalpost - 07-11-2017 I guess this woman was originally denied a visa, so they are looking into who approved her later for one. RE: Be careful how you Define collusion with Trump Jr. - GMDino - 07-11-2017 (07-11-2017, 10:25 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: Really, everything about it right now is circumstantial, at least as far as what the public knows. This includes Priebus being at Trump Tower that day as well. I'd like the public and the media to just let Mueller do his job.
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