(09-23-2015, 05:08 PM)GMDino Wrote: Please cite that verse.

(09-23-2015, 02:20 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I could point to numerous scripture in the Bible to include Satan's tempatation of Christ. But you don't believe the word because you cannot solve it with a mathematical formula, so it would fall on deaf ears.  

Quote:Please feel free to share your "evidence" of what was before the Big Bang.

(09-23-2015, 05:21 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Does this mean if you read the Quran it would fail on deaf ears because you don't believe in the word and you cannot solve it with a mathematical equation?



You have previously stated something had to come before.  Except God . . . who has always been and is "uncreated."  Despite my repeated questions, you have refused to share your evidence God has always been and is uncreated.  Your belief has the same problem; but a supernatural, rather than scientific, explanation.

(09-23-2015, 05:19 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Colossians 1:16-17:

"For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together."

That's one of them. You could also start with the first verse in the Bible.

(09-22-2015, 11:55 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Critics suggest the BBT violates the first law of thermodynamics, which says you can't create or destroy matter or energy. The big bang theory suggests the universe began out of nothing. Some critics say that the formation of stars and galaxies violates the law of entropy, which suggests systems of change become less organized over time. Some astrophysicists and cosmologists argue that scientists have misinterpreted evidence like the redshift of celestial bodies and the cosmic microwave background radiation. Some cite the absence of exotic cosmic bodies that should have been the product of the big bang according to the theory. The early inflationary period of the big bang appears to violate the rule that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light

 
So everyone that thinks the Universe didn't perfectly form from one big explosion finds scientific answers evil or scary?  

(09-23-2015, 05:44 PM)GMDino Wrote: And where was god when there was nothing?

(09-23-2015, 05:45 PM)Beaker Wrote: The big bang suggests that the universe began out of a singularity.

(09-23-2015, 04:57 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Why is it a nonsense question Mr Nye?

It's OK if you don't have proof, you just have to believe something caused it.

(09-23-2015, 06:56 PM)GodHatesBengals Wrote: It is a nonsense question since the Big Bang Model posits that time began when space expanded. In other  words, you're asking what happened before there was time, when the word "before" only makes sense in the context of a sequence of events in time.

(09-23-2015, 07:23 PM)bfine32 Wrote: What of this singularity nonsense?

(09-23-2015, 07:31 PM)Beaker Wrote: Try looking it up. You obviously have formed your opinion without really knowing the details.

(09-23-2015, 05:45 PM)Beaker Wrote: What is still under debate about the big bang theory is that there are still missing pieces to be accounted for. Things like dark matter and dark energy could account for some of the missing pieces. We just don't understand them yet. But that doesn't mean they don't exist, or that the theory has been disproven, it merely means we don't have all the evidence sorted out yet.

(09-23-2015, 06:39 PM)bfine32 Wrote: There was never nothing, there was always God.


How many more of these are there going to be? 

(09-23-2015, 09:07 PM)GMDino Wrote: In the beginning God created...everything.  So there was nothing before that.

As to your second question I don't know.  I suppose a few, maybe more.

Maybe it would stop if you admitted you don't even understand the creation story?

(09-23-2015, 09:25 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: So, after reading 74 posts of this back and forth on creation or evolution stuff, I'm still not sure weather this has any real bearing on the future of Ben Carson's Presidential campaign. So, the guy stated his position, as all candidates must at some point. To claim that the guy does not believe in Science, simply because he has faith in the Christian God, does not make any sense. The man obviously has forgotten more hard Science than most of us can hope to ever learn about.

I could really give a rat's ass, as to weather he is a true believer or a pure scientist. The man is brilliant, and I want to learn more about his plan to run the Nation, if her were to be elected.

(09-23-2015, 09:18 PM)bfine32 Wrote: There was always God, there was never nothing. 

I only asked 1 question.

(09-23-2015, 05:27 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Look one post above yours.

I agree they both take a degree of belief.  We must choose whom/what we place it in.

(09-23-2015, 06:39 PM)bfine32 Wrote: There was never nothing, there was always God.


How many more of these are there going to be? 

(09-23-2015, 08:27 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: If you'd be willing to humor me for a moment....
Back in the heydays of Myspace, I was friends (I know one of thousands) with Dr. Michio Kaku.
We had a little back and forth about dark matter.
I put forward that I thought black holes were made from dark matter.
It was a bit more in depth, but I won't get into it here, and to be honest I've forgotten a bit.
What I want to ask is.... was Dr. Kaku merely being polite in saying it was a quite an interesting and plausible concept ?
I'm just a normal guy.
I don't know the math to support anything.
I'm just a spitballer.