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RE: Why can't he stop insulting them - jason - 10-08-2020 (10-08-2020, 11:15 PM)bfine32 Wrote: These comments will also be helpful Bfine is good at many things, but he excels at building suspense. Spill it! RE: Why can't he stop insulting them - PhilHos - 10-09-2020 (10-08-2020, 06:16 PM)fredtoast Wrote: It is kind of embarrassing that I have to say this to an adult, but. . . Again, "not so different" does NOT mean "exactly the same". Why you keep trying to argue this, I don't know? Oh wait, yes, I do. You need to twist Trumps words, because it's not enough to use the stupid shit he DOES say, you have to make up shit too. (10-08-2020, 06:16 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Anyone with a third grade education will tell you that "not so different" is a comment on "sameness" instead of "difference". Yes, it's a comment on sameness, but it still doesn't mean EXACTLY the same. He's saying he comes from a similar gene pool but not from the same gene pool. (10-08-2020, 06:16 PM)fredtoast Wrote: If you still deny this I am not going to waste my time arguing over basic english. Why not? I've been arguing with someone that thinks telling a crowd they look good somehow means he's promoting white supremacy. RE: Why can't he stop insulting them - GMDino - 10-09-2020 (10-08-2020, 11:27 PM)jason Wrote: Bfine is good at many things, but he excels at building suspense. I was busy editing a podcast last night...did I miss the grand explanation that we probably already knew? Maybe he got busy. Maybe, like Trump, we'll have it in a couple weeks. Or after the election? ![]() RE: Why can't he stop insulting them - bfine32 - 10-09-2020 As I’m more of a “light a candle instead of curse the darkness” type dude; allow me to explain the question posed in the OP: He continues to insult because no one, especially main stream media, holds him accountable. We’ve seen numerous examples of this throughout the thread. Enablers have used techniques such as Ad hominem, false dichotomy, Tu Quogue (Fred basically took over the thread with this one), and Argumentum ad misericordiam Those he insults who continue to support him do so because of one of two reasons: 1. Those supporters will be led to believe he is the better option as enablers will try to mitigate his comments by bringing up his opponent. This is known as a Red Herring (Charlottesville anyone?) 2. Those supporters realize Biden participates frequently in the soft bigotry of low expectations. But they also realize he will support platforms that will advantage them. (Much like the Evangelical do Trump) I will say kudos to those that simply stated Biden's comments are not acceptable. RE: Why can't he stop insulting them - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 10-09-2020 (10-09-2020, 12:59 PM)bfine32 Wrote: As I’m more of a “light a candle instead of curse the darkness” type dude; allow me to explain the question posed in the OP: If I called him a racist repeatedly would that make him stop? RE: Why can't he stop insulting them - fredtoast - 10-09-2020 (10-09-2020, 10:14 AM)PhilHos Wrote: Again, "not so different" does NOT mean "exactly the same". Why you keep trying to argue this, I don't know? Oh wait, yes, I do. You need to twist Trumps words, because it's not enough to use the stupid shit he DOES say, you have to make up shit too. It does not have to mean "EXACTLY THE SAME". And I never had to argue that it meant "exactly the same". Just plain old "SAME" is enough to include him in the same gene pool. "You have good genes and we are the same, not different" Get it now? RE: Why can't he stop insulting them - hollodero - 10-09-2020 (10-09-2020, 12:59 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I will say kudos to those that simply stated Biden's comments are not acceptable. Not so keen on any kudos, but I missed to concede that some of these comments, especially the older ones, are indeed hard to accept. Eg. The 1977 one is horrible and I did not know about that one. Some others I consider a big bunch of nothing though. Like the one where he pointed out that many black women can not afford to stay home. That's just the truth. Also, that "hispanics" are a less homogenuous group, something every political commentator concedes, albeit often in slightly less clumsy terms. "If you don't vote for me, you ain't black?" Well, he should definitely not have said that. It also was not a racist scandal. And what's the actual issue with him saying the death of Floyd was more impactful than the assassination of MLK? I don't know if it's true, but I fail to see the scandal here. I still want to know more exactly why you think the overwhelming majority of black people vote for him and support him. Not just against Trump. But also in the primaries. Why also in the primaries? It's almost as if he had made amends for past mistakes and they do not consider him a racist. RE: Why can't he stop insulting them - fredtoast - 10-09-2020 (10-09-2020, 12:59 PM)bfine32 Wrote: He continues to insult because no one, especially main stream media, holds him accountable. Every single one of these incidents you list have been reported by the media. So WTF are you talking about? RE: Why can't he stop insulting them - bfine32 - 10-09-2020 (10-09-2020, 03:05 PM)hollodero Wrote: Not so keen on any kudos, but I missed to concede that some of these comments, especially the older ones, are indeed hard to accept. Eg. The 1977 one is horrible and I did not know about that one. Oh no worry on the kudos He won the primaries because that's who the DNC wanted; same reason Hills won in 16. Bernie was leading until Super Tuesday when every other candidate but he and Bernie conceded and all got in line and threw their support to Joe. As to the why the black vote. I answered it: Quote:1. Those supporters will be led to believe he is the better option as enablers will try to mitigate his comments by bringing up his opponent. This is known as a Red Herring (Charlottesville anyone?) The latter is probably a greater percentage than the former. Now I could go deeper into a 3rd reason as to why I feel Blacks vote against conservatives even when those policies favor them. But that ain't happening in this forum. RE: Why can't he stop insulting them - fredtoast - 10-09-2020 (10-09-2020, 12:59 PM)bfine32 Wrote: (Fred basically took over the thread with this one), I think you forgot that I first took it over by pointing out that you were completely changing the meaning of a Biden quote by taking it out of context. RE: Why can't he stop insulting them - hollodero - 10-09-2020 (10-09-2020, 03:22 PM)bfine32 Wrote: He won the primaries because that's who the DNC wanted; same reason Hills won in 16. Bernie was leading until Super Tuesday when every other candidate but he and Bernie conceded and all got in line and threw their support to Joe. I don't agree with that take. It distincly were the states with a big black electorate that brought Biden back out of oblivion. That had nothing to do with the DNC and everything to do with the overwhelming support Biden got from black voters. The conceding happened after that. (10-09-2020, 03:22 PM)bfine32 Wrote: As to the why the black vote. I answered it: Yeah but you referenced to Trump, at least with one of your two points. And the second point, imho, could have been made about almost every other Dem primary candidate. (10-09-2020, 03:22 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Now I could go deeper into a 3rd reason as to why I feel Blacks vote against conservatives even when those policies favor them. But that ain't happening in this forum. ??? Wasn't one of your points that blacks "realize Biden will support platforms that will advantage them"? And now you claim actually conservative policies would favor them? What is it now? RE: Why can't he stop insulting them - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 10-09-2020 (10-09-2020, 03:31 PM)hollodero Wrote: I don't agree with that take. It distincly were the states with a big black electorate that brought Biden back out of oblivion. That had nothing to do with the DNC and everything to do with the overwhelming support Biden got from black voters. The conceding happened after that. You’ve entered the bfine paradox wrapped in an enigma inside a riddle embedded in a mystery. RE: Why can't he stop insulting them - Dill - 10-09-2020 (10-09-2020, 12:59 PM)bfine32 Wrote: As I’m more of a “light a candle instead of curse the darkness” type dude; allow me to explain the question posed in the OP: Um, you've claimed people are guilty of fallacies, but I don't recall seeing any demonstrated. I'll go back and check. What does "holding him accountable" look like? Does it look like this? https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/09/trump-slams-biden-for-saying-poor-kids-are-as-talented-as-white-kids.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-risks-alienating-young-black-voters-after-race-remarks/2020/08/08/2035b296-d937-11ea-a788-2ce86ce81129_story.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/06/us/politics/joe-biden-barack-obama-south-carolina.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/22/us/politics/joe-biden-black-breakfast-club.html https://www.foxnews.com/politics/joe-bidens-thinking-muddled-by-racist-concepts-ohio-republican-claims https://www.npr.org/2020/05/22/861007175/biden-pulls-back-on-cavalier-remarks-about-black-voters https://news.yahoo.com/video/biden-long-history-racist-remarks-225005936.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAEIE_9P2NbELY7g8PVnGDX6UjENolQDD-kMxSWVfjg16nmM3Go42znCrJigMbfSRZiLgRaMCye5PfJxJu-I-2nRzPaLqg1J2KSqZZXmbuA0RY91oaGe23jVnPrOx-L8kRmOcdVf99nlp_pw4VB89Vrps5gH1Itv2SQH8QaacqoMe https://www.foxnews.com/media/mark-levin-biden-bigoted-racist https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-ap-top-news-race-and-ethnicity-politics-joe-biden-6cbd8c13529fee67c42e417175c425e5 https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/08/10/opinion/how-many-insults-are-black-voters-supposed-take-joe-biden/ https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1344422/joe-biden-news-eulogy-kkk-recruiter-donald-trump-racism-us-election-spt https://www.phillymag.com/news/2020/05/27/joe-biden-racist-pennsylvania-primary/ https://www.leftvoice.org/joe-biden-is-a-racist-who-loves-police-brutality https://www.donaldjtrump.com/media/trump-campaign-statement-on-bidens-offensive-racial-history/ Or is something else supposed to happen beyond reporting and editorializing? (10-09-2020, 12:59 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Those he insults who continue to support him do so because of one of two reasons: To make #1 stick, you really need to show why Biden is NOT the better option for "those he insults" than the guy who retweets from white supremacist sources. And in an election between two people, OF COURSE his "enablers will bring up his opponent." When comparing two candidates, it is not a "red herring" to note the other guy has sympathies with groups that mean you harm. Nor Whattaboutism. Pretty sure "those he insults" are looking at where each candidate stands on current racial issues, and which will be more susceptible to influence/pressure from them--and which least. 2. We agree on. They don't think the other guy will "support platforms that will advantage them." Evangelicals are a good analogy; Trump gave them greater access than any president before him. RE: Why can't he stop insulting them - bfine32 - 10-09-2020 (10-09-2020, 03:31 PM)hollodero Wrote: I don't agree with that take. It distincly were the states with a big black electorate that brought Biden back out of oblivion. That had nothing to do with the DNC and everything to do with the overwhelming support Biden got from black voters. The conceding happened after that.I didn't expect you to agree. But most everyone dropped out prior to Super Tuesday and I'm sure the Obama association brought him some black votes. "If he's good enough for Obama, he's good enough for me" Sorry to have confused you. There are blacks, not all (unlike Biden I realize there is diversity in the race), that would be better served voting for conservative measures as opposed to liberal' but cut off their nose to spite their face. RE: Why can't he stop insulting them - bfine32 - 10-09-2020 (10-09-2020, 03:25 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I think you forgot that I first took it over by pointing out that you were completely changing the meaning of a Biden quote by taking it out of context. No, you demonstrated Faulty Classification to try to prove a point. Remember you started with "I assume the rest". Do you really expect anyone reading to believe you didn't know the content of many/most. You dismissed 10 instances to focus on one that you could combat. And did a shitty job disputing the one. RE: Why can't he stop insulting them - bfine32 - 10-09-2020 (10-09-2020, 03:21 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Every single one of these incidents you list have been reported by the media. How do you know? You claimed to have only known the context of one. Were you being "less than honest" RE: Why can't he stop insulting them - GMDino - 10-09-2020 (10-09-2020, 03:22 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Now I could go deeper into a 3rd reason as to why I feel Blacks vote against conservatives even when those policies favor them. But that ain't happening in this forum. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() RE: Why can't he stop insulting them - fredtoast - 10-09-2020 (10-09-2020, 04:10 PM)bfine32 Wrote: How do you know? You claimed to have only known the context of one. Were you being "less than honest" Sig bet that I can show all of them were reported in the media. Take it or STFU. RE: Why can't he stop insulting them - bfine32 - 10-09-2020 (10-09-2020, 04:13 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Sig bet that I can show all of them were reported in the media. So you knew the context of each or just know they were reported? You we're being less than forthright where you? Of course they were reported, do you think I keep a personal journal? Being reported does not equal being held accountable. believe it or not, folks will try to excuse them RE: Why can't he stop insulting them - fredtoast - 10-09-2020 (10-09-2020, 04:07 PM)bfine32 Wrote: And did a shitty job disputing the one. No I did not. I posted the entire quote that showed how you attempted to completely twist the meaning of the quote by taking it out of context. |