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RE: Oklahoma Legislature passes bill criminalizing abortion - GMDino - 05-20-2016 (05-20-2016, 09:00 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Nope. I provided a state laws that is contrary to Federal. (05-20-2016, 09:13 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Except marijuana criminalization isn't in the Constitution. The basis of federal law keeping abortion illegal is the Constitution. Have any examples of state law contradicting the Constitution and it holding up? There's no point Matt. He has no reasoning so he's going to keep creating "scenarios" to make a "point" and ignoring the main reason he's wrong. RE: Oklahoma Legislature passes bill criminalizing abortion - bfine32 - 05-20-2016 (05-20-2016, 09:13 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Except marijuana criminalization isn't in the Constitution. The basis of federal law keeping abortion illegal is the Constitution. Have any examples of state law contradicting the Constitution and it holding up? So are you saying abortion being illegal is in the Constitution? But to answer your question: Let me make up this "scenario" to show you that the marijuana laws are against the Constitution: "Article VI of the Constitution states that, “This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land." Colorado does not follow the federal law of The Controlled Substance Act and is therefore in violation of the Constitution. RE: Oklahoma Legislature passes bill criminalizing abortion - bfine32 - 05-20-2016 (05-20-2016, 09:07 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Yes, I do agree a fetus has to be alive before it is aborted. I never disputed a fetus is alive. However, if I am to believe the Bible then God created "life," not humans. Yes life began when God conceived it. I can only assume you think you are making a point in your head. RE: Oklahoma Legislature passes bill criminalizing abortion - bfine32 - 05-20-2016 (05-20-2016, 09:11 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Oh, I am sorry, I didn't realize you were arguing against something I didn't say. My bad. I thought we you said nobody here likes the idea of abortion; you were talking in a broader scope. Apparently, you meant the people currently in the room with you. RE: Oklahoma Legislature passes bill criminalizing abortion - Belsnickel - 05-20-2016 (05-20-2016, 10:26 PM)bfine32 Wrote: So are you saying abortion being illegal is in the Constitution? I was saying the basis for it being legal is in the Constitution, per SCOTUS. But you have a valid point in the rest of your post. (05-20-2016, 10:35 PM)bfine32 Wrote: My bad. I thought we you said nobody here likes the idea of abortion; you were talking in a broader scope. Apparently, you meant the people currently in the room with you. Actually, I was referring to the message board. I am not sure how me using here would lead to the broadness of everyone, but hey, you do you. RE: Oklahoma Legislature passes bill criminalizing abortion - GMDino - 05-20-2016 And here we are arguing when "life begins" and why abortions are legal and how it's not about religion at all when someone is against legal abortions. I'd be stunned but it's every time. RE: Oklahoma Legislature passes bill criminalizing abortion - bfine32 - 05-20-2016 (05-20-2016, 11:08 PM)GMDino Wrote: And here we are arguing when "life begins" and why abortions are legal and how it's not about religion at all when someone is against legal abortions. You are the 3rd person to bring up religion in this conversation: Can you name the other 2? My original post in this thread addressed the legality of the measure only; others started in with the same old, same old. I've simply provided a "scenario" as to where Oklahoma can pass this law. There are those that are dragging out the same tired argument; however, you may be mistaken as to who they are. This thread has digressed to the same tired argument; however, I am comfortable in the fact that I did not take it there. RE: Oklahoma Legislature passes bill criminalizing abortion - GMDino - 05-20-2016 (05-20-2016, 11:38 PM)bfine32 Wrote: You are the 3rd person to bring up religion in this conversation: Can you name the other 2? Then I guess I wasn't talking about you. So why reply to it? RE: Oklahoma Legislature passes bill criminalizing abortion - Benton - 05-21-2016 (05-20-2016, 08:47 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I knew this. It was to refute the claim that Oklahoma "cannot" do this. Ah, gotcha. That's what I get for jumping into the middle of a thread. Not sure that's the best example though. Pot is still illegal federally, but no one is challenging it. The next president might come in and flood those states with ATF agents. Likewise, the next president might turn a blind eye to what Oklahoma is doing or he might strip them of federal funding for not complying. RE: Oklahoma Legislature passes bill criminalizing abortion - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 05-21-2016 (05-20-2016, 10:32 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Yes life began when God conceived it. I can only assume you think you are making a point in your head. (05-20-2016, 01:37 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I'm not all or nothing on abortion either; however, too often legitimate debates are dismissed by the liberal because of religion. "He ignored science because of religion". When in actuallity those those debate the fact that life starts at conception are ignoring science. Are you claiming when you wrote "life starts at conception" you didn't mean life starts when a sperm fertilizes an egg? RE: Oklahoma Legislature passes bill criminalizing abortion - bfine32 - 05-21-2016 (05-21-2016, 12:41 AM)Benton Wrote: Ah, gotcha. That's what I get for jumping into the middle of a thread. So even though it makes perfect sense; it's not the best example? Of course Colorado is challenging the fact that pot is illegal nationally. They are imposing their state's right. RE: Oklahoma Legislature passes bill criminalizing abortion - Benton - 05-21-2016 (05-21-2016, 01:43 AM)bfine32 Wrote: So even though it makes perfect sense; it's not the best example? Of course Colorado is challenging the fact that pot is illegal nationally. They are imposing their state's right. Opposite ends. Colorado is saying it wont enforce a federal law. Oklahoma is enforcing laws counter to what federal courts have ruled. RE: Oklahoma Legislature passes bill criminalizing abortion - bfine32 - 05-21-2016 (05-21-2016, 02:36 AM)Benton Wrote: Opposite ends. Colorado passed amendment 64 on November 6 2012. This amendment is counter to federal law and they are enforcing it in the form of taxation. Regardless how hard people try; the only reason these proposals are at "opposite ends" is because folks like one and don't like the other. Seems like folks are just trying to create "scenarios" to show why they differ. Quick someone hits the violates Human Rights stance. All these experts and no one has answered my initial question of: If a state wanted to challenge Roe v. Wade what steps would it take. I have received one answer of "they can't"; I'm just going to need a couple people to affirm that and then we can contact Oklahoma. RE: Oklahoma Legislature passes bill criminalizing abortion - GMDino - 05-21-2016 (05-21-2016, 09:58 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Colorado passed amendment 64 on November 6 2012. This amendment is counter to federal law and they are enforcing it in the form of taxation. They pass a law knowing it is illegal and then waste time and money in court to fight the federal government all the way to the Supreme Court. You know that answer. You just want someone else to say it so you can say everyone is wrong giving the answer that "they can't". "They can't" means exactly that....in the end it will be a waste of time and tax payer money. No court has ever ruled it is against the constitution or your constitutional rights to smoke marijuana. That is the difference between MJ and abortion. You know that answer too, but you need to find something to troll about. Oh, and unlike the other post this time I am talking to you, so feel free to respond. I'm ready. RE: Oklahoma Legislature passes bill criminalizing abortion - Benton - 05-21-2016 (05-21-2016, 09:58 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Colorado passed amendment 64 on November 6 2012. This amendment is counter to federal law and they are enforcing it in the form of taxation.The court decides what it wants to hear. A state can't make the scotus take a case. And it does hear abortion cases. I think there was one they started back in march. Normally they dont seek to define whether or not abortion is legal like roe v wade, and I'd be surprised if any court does take on a case that would. Oklahoma can't challenge roe vs wade, but it can continue to pass abortion laws which the scotus can continue to say are or aren't constitutional. Colorado and other states haven't had much about pot going before the court. If they did, there might be a change in drug schedules. But right now this is just the executive branch of the federal not enforcing something passed by the legislative branch. That could change. The judicial branch decision with abortion is something the executive branch could ignore. Trump with his flip flopping might or might not, and I doubt Clinton would. RE: Oklahoma Legislature passes bill criminalizing abortion - bfine32 - 05-21-2016 (05-21-2016, 10:15 AM)GMDino Wrote: They pass a law knowing it is illegal and then waste time and money in court to fight the federal government all the way to the Supreme Court. Didn't Colorado pass a law knowing it was illegal? As i said there is one reason that folks are against this and not so much against the Colorado marijuana laws and it is not because of the function of government, RE: Oklahoma Legislature passes bill criminalizing abortion - BmorePat87 - 05-21-2016 (05-20-2016, 12:17 PM)PhilHos Wrote: I hope the Governor signs this into law. The abomination that is abortion should be eliminated from our society. So rape victims shouldn't have access to abortions? RE: Oklahoma Legislature passes bill criminalizing abortion - BmorePat87 - 05-21-2016 While I completely disagree with big government trying to tell people what to do with their bodies, for those who are ok with big government regulating our bodies, I can see why they are ok with this law. It is the only way for them to challenge Roe v Wade. I just don't understand why so many people want a large government that determines what we can do with our bodies and which consenting adults we can marry. RE: Oklahoma Legislature passes bill criminalizing abortion - Nately120 - 05-21-2016 Serious question to the hardcore conservatives. If a woman is a felon and can't own a firearm legally but becomes pregnant can she THEN buy a firearm to protect her unborn baby? That kid has rights to be protected from bad guys but he/she can't actually use a gun but is also disarmed because of his mother's misdeeds. Would the baby's rights to bear arms transfer to the mother in this case? Or are we just ok with babies being at risk of being killed by bad guys with guns? RE: Oklahoma Legislature passes bill criminalizing abortion - bfine32 - 05-21-2016 http://www.abort73.com/abortion_facts/us_abortion_statistics/ Quote:ANNUAL ABORTION STATISTICSThought I would post some stats of the procedure we are constantly bickering about. Stats come from the CDC when available. private industries also were used as some states do not release their numbers. Some facts I found interesting: 40% of juveniles that have abortions state neither parent knew she was having one. (I had no idea that a minors could consent to an elective medical procedure.) 11% of abortion clinic do abortions after 24 weeks (I thought this was illegal) More than 1 in 3 healthy pregnancies in NY end in abortion |