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RE: 82 shot, 14 fatalities, over the 4th of July weekend - bfine32 - 07-10-2015 (07-10-2015, 09:34 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Strict registration laws have no effect in Chicago because it is such a limited area. It would like like making possession of heroine only illegal in one city. It has no effect on that small of a scale. No the silly thing is to think you could just regulate things away. You mention children killed by their parents' guns. What is your answer; parents cannot own guns? I think all weapons should be registered (I have no idea of any law abiding citizen that would be opposed to this), but as I said earlier: I'm not so naive to think that an additional restriction will keep guns out of the hands of criminals that want them. RE: 82 shot, 14 fatalities, over the 4th of July weekend - fredtoast - 07-10-2015 (07-10-2015, 09:55 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I think all weapons should be registered (I have no idea of any law abiding citizen that would be opposed to this), but as I said earlier: I'm not so naive to think that an additional restriction will keep guns out of the hands of criminals that want them. The NRA and most of the 2nd Amendment fanatics strongly oppose any registration of guns. And it absolutely would make it much more difficult for criminals to get guns. And it would make many of them subject to arrest when they were not using their illegal weapons. the argument that a law won't end criminal behavior is ridiculous if you think about it. If you use that logic then there should be no laws against anything. Laws against murder don't eliminate all murders, but I don't see many people arguing that we should not have laws against murder. RE: 82 shot, 14 fatalities, over the 4th of July weekend - bfine32 - 07-10-2015 (07-10-2015, 10:13 PM)fredtoast Wrote: The NRA and most of the 2nd Amendment fanatics strongly oppose any registration of guns. I think the simple thing you are missing is the laws don't deter folks; it is the punishment. Do you think those that wish to do ill don't commit crimes because there is a law against it or because of the punishment they will receive if found committing it? Society A: There is a law against murder and the punishment is a $50 fine Society B: There is a law against murder and the punishment is hanging you from the gallows. Which society do you think would have fewer murders? I have already said one of the answers is to severely punish anyone caught committing a crime with an illegal weapon. There should also be more intrusive measure to get the illegal guns that are already out there off the streets; but we might violate someone's rights while doing it. RE: 82 shot, 14 fatalities, over the 4th of July weekend - JustWinBaby - 07-11-2015 Gun laws don't do shit (should be obvious to even the simplest of morons because criminals don't follow laws)....You've got to change the culture...Create jobs and reduce poverty. If gun laws were the problem, the issue wouldn't be concentrated in the poor hoods dominated by gangs. RE: 82 shot, 14 fatalities, over the 4th of July weekend - fredtoast - 07-11-2015 (07-11-2015, 05:15 AM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Gun laws don't do shit (should be obvious to even the simplest of morons because criminals don't follow laws). Why does this logic not apply to every other law? Are you saying we should not have laws against theft, assault, rape, etc? RE: 82 shot, 14 fatalities, over the 4th of July weekend - bfine32 - 02-02-2016 http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/02/01/chicago-records-51-homicides-january-highest-toll-since-2000/79632136/ Quote:Gang conflicts and retaliatory violence drove the "unacceptable" increase in homicides, the police department said in a statement. But the rise in violence also notably comes as the Chicago Police Department faces increased scrutiny following the court-ordered release of a police video showing a white police officer fatally shooting a black teenager 16 times, and as the department implements changes in how it monitors street stops by officers. BLM. Where is the protest? RE: 82 shot, 14 fatalities, over the 4th of July weekend - Rotobeast - 02-02-2016 (02-02-2016, 10:54 PM)bfine32 Wrote: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/02/01/chicago-records-51-homicides-january-highest-toll-since-2000/79632136/ Rahm is asking them to keep it on the down-low. Can't have the Obamatopia looking bad in an election year, dragging down the party. RE: 82 shot, 14 fatalities, over the 4th of July weekend - GMDino - 02-02-2016 (02-02-2016, 10:54 PM)bfine32 Wrote: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/02/01/chicago-records-51-homicides-january-highest-toll-since-2000/79632136/ http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/ct-black-crime-glanton-talk-20151206-story.html Quote:Do you really believe that African-Americans are content watching a generation of their young people self-destruct? http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2014/12/black_community_is_concerned_with_black_on_black_crime_suggesting_otherwise.html Quote:And in short, it’s easy to find examples of marches and demonstrations against crime. In the last four years, blacks have held community protests against violence in Chicago; New York; Newark,New Jersey; Pittsburgh; Saginaw, Michigan; and Gary, Indiana. Indeed, there’s a whole catalog of movies, albums, and sermons from a generation of directors, musicians, and religious leaders, each urging peace and order. You may not have noticed black protests against crime and violence, but that doesn’t mean they haven’t happened. Black Americans—like everyone else—are concerned with what happens in their communities, and at a certain point, pundits who insist otherwise are either lying or willfully ignorant.http://blacklivesmatter.com/11-major-misconceptions-about-the-black-lives-matter-movement/ Quote:1. The movement doesn’t care about black-on-black crime. The idea that black-on-black crime is not a significant political conversation among black people is patently false. In Chicago, long maligned for its high rates of intraracial murder, members of the community created the Violence Interrupters to disrupt violent altercations before they escalate. However, those who insist on talking about black-on-black crime frequently fail to acknowledge that most crime is intraracial. Ninety-three percent of black murder victims are killed by other black people. Eighty-four percent of white murder victims are killed by other white people. The continued focus on black-on-black crime is a diversionary tactic, whose goal is to suggest that black people don’t have the right to be outraged about police violence in vulnerable black communities, because those communities have a crime problem. The Black Lives Matter movement acknowledges the crime problem, but it refuses to locate that crime problem as a problem of black pathology. Black people are not inherently more violent or more prone to crime than other groups. But black people are disproportionately poorer, more likely to be targeted by police and arrested, and more likely to attend poor or failing schools. All of these social indicators place one at greater risk for being either a victim or a perpetrator of violent crime. To reduce violent crime, we must fight to change systems, rather than demonizing people. http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/04/why-dont-black-people-protest-black-on-black-violence/255329/ Quote:This is an interesting question. It's also one that Juan Williams, who's been writing about race for almost three decades, should be able to answer. Moreover, Williams is an award-winning journalist. Should he not know the answer, it would suit him to do his job and find out. http://www.city-data.com/forum/great-debates/2333282-stop-lie-black-people-dont-protest.html Quote:Let's please put an end to the vicious meme going around in many conservative circles that black Americans don't protest or are otherwise unconcerned about black-on-black crime in their neighborhoods. That is just plain untrue. But it gets repeated over and over again by folks who keep asking "Well, where's Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton when blacks kill other blacks?" Well believe it or not, black people don't need Jesse or Rev. Al to protest black-on-black crime. We are quite capable of doing it on our own -- and we do it frequently too. It took me maybe 20 minutes to Google all the protests against community violence I've posted below, and the list could be much longer if I wanted to.[url=http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Houston-leaders-rally-to-stop-black-on-black-crime-1904356.php][/url] Want more? RE: 82 shot, 14 fatalities, over the 4th of July weekend - bfine32 - 02-02-2016 (02-02-2016, 11:16 PM)GMDino Wrote: [url=http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Houston-leaders-rally-to-stop-black-on-black-crime-1904356.php][/url] Yes. Where is the BLM march condemning this violence in Chicago? I understand that you are a Democrat and the motive is to keep blacks dependent and beholding in exchange for votes. But just as most say the answer to radical Islam is to have Islamic leaders publicly condemn it the answer to black on black crime is to have Black leaders publicly condemn it and not forcing the Dinos of the world to quote 4 year old articles to try and prove that they are. If a white man killed 6 blacks in Chicago this past weekend and 51 this past month, do you think the usual suspects would be making this front page news in a attempt to divide and incite. RE: 82 shot, 14 fatalities, over the 4th of July weekend - Vlad - 02-02-2016 (07-11-2015, 12:09 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Why does this logic not apply to every other law? Wtf are you babbling about now? Make some goddamned sense. RE: 82 shot, 14 fatalities, over the 4th of July weekend - BmorePat87 - 02-02-2016 (02-02-2016, 11:28 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Yes. Where is the BLM march condemning this violence in Chicago? Considering its lack of real organizational leaders and focus on the police and justice system, they're probably not the best group to call "black leaders" or expect to respond to street crime. Unfortunately, I'm not very knowledgable of the leadership within the black community to offer you others to call to for a response to this. RE: 82 shot, 14 fatalities, over the 4th of July weekend - GMDino - 02-03-2016 (02-02-2016, 11:28 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Yes. Where is the BLM march condemning this violence in Chicago? Why would you care? I posted multiple links with examples of protests against black on black crime. Including one from BLM explaining their position. You don't care. You just wanted to make a "point". Congrats. Solid post. RE: 82 shot, 14 fatalities, over the 4th of July weekend - bfine32 - 02-03-2016 (02-02-2016, 11:49 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Unfortunately, I'm not very knowledgable of the leadership within the black community to offer you others to call to for a response to this. Hell, I can think of one off the top of my head. He may have even had a son that looked like one of the murdered this past weekend. RE: 82 shot, 14 fatalities, over the 4th of July weekend - GMDino - 02-03-2016 (02-02-2016, 11:49 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Considering its lack of real organizational leaders and focus on the police and justice system, they're probably not the best group to call "black leaders" or expect to respond to street crime. He doesn't care. As long as he can use that line to offset any other acts of violence. I provided a link to BLM explaining itself. It was ignored. Color me shocked. RE: 82 shot, 14 fatalities, over the 4th of July weekend - GMDino - 02-03-2016 (02-03-2016, 12:06 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Hell, I can think of one off the top of my head. He may have even had a son that looked like one of the murdered this past weekend. I know you are a Republican and all you want is to keep up the race war to garner votes for your candidates...so you'll ignore any truth. http://mediamatters.org/research/2014/12/01/fox-news-pundit-cant-remember-any-of-these-time/201725 Quote:Obama Emphasized Importance Of Black Role Models To Combat Pervasive Violence In 2013 Morehouse College Speech. In his May 2013 commencement speech at the historically black, all-male Morehouse College, Obama explained the importance of having black male role models and addressed poverty and violence in black communities (emphasis added): http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/10/obama-police-chief-chicago-scapegoat-black-lives-matter/412717/ Quote:Speaking to police chiefs in Chicago, the president affirmed the distrust between people of color and law enforcement, but argued cops bear too much blame for it. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/may/1/obamas-thug-comment-black-black-violence-baltimore/ Quote:Baltimore Pastor Jamal Bryant, who delivered a eulogy for Freddie Gray, said Thursday that President Obama was guilty of “black-on-black crime” for calling the city’s rioters “thugs.” http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chapman/ct-black-crime-ferguson-sharpton-jason-riley-steve-20140820-column.html Quote:Why does the black community raise a ruckus when a white person kills a black person, which is rare, but not when a black person kills a black person, which is far less rare? I gotta tell ya Larry...just because it sounds good in your head doesn't mean it is true. But at least it gives me the opportunity to point out that you are not only wrong, but that you won't admit it. ![]() RE: 82 shot, 14 fatalities, over the 4th of July weekend - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 02-03-2016 The real point, which is never honestly addressed, is not gun control. Most gun control targets long guns that are used in such a minuscule amount of crimes as to be almost statistically insignificant. It's a lame, pandering, attempt to score points with frightened voters. The real issue is the inane war on drugs. The failed attempt to replicate the exact circumstances of prohibition, only with different substances and an identical result. Every politician looking to promote themselves with their latest bullshit gun control legislation and every lobbyist attempting to curb them are only addressing a symptom of the disease. Until we, as a nation, acknowledge that criminalizing most drugs only perpetuates violence and funnels money, by the truckload, into the black market this is all a bunch of pissing in the wind. You could ban all guns tomorrow and it would do jack shit to the murder rate. You could legalize all, I'd prefer most, drugs tomorrow and the murder rate would plummet. Keep fixating on the symptom kids, not the disease. RE: 82 shot, 14 fatalities, over the 4th of July weekend - bfine32 - 02-03-2016 (02-03-2016, 12:06 AM)GMDino Wrote: He doesn't care. As long as he can use that line to offset any other acts of violence. It wasn't ignored; it was dismissed, there is a difference. The BLM "explaining itself" article was nothing more that hyperbole supported by examples of obscure movements by folks not tied to BLM to try to show they stand for something that they have proved time and again that they care nothing about. RE: 82 shot, 14 fatalities, over the 4th of July weekend - GMDino - 02-03-2016 (02-03-2016, 12:18 AM)bfine32 Wrote: It wasn't ignored; it was dismissed, there is a difference. It went against your talking point...you ignored it. You made a claim, were proven wrong and so..."dismissed" the truth. Thanks for your contribution. Solid post. RE: 82 shot, 14 fatalities, over the 4th of July weekend - Nebuchadnezzar - 02-03-2016 (02-03-2016, 12:15 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: The real point, which is never honestly addressed, is not gun control. Most gun control targets long guns that are used in such a minuscule amount of crimes as to be almost statistically insignificant. It's a lame, pandering, attempt to score points with frightened voters. The real issue is the inane war on drugs. The failed attempt to replicate the exact circumstances of prohibition, only with different substances and an identical result. Every politician looking to promote themselves with their latest bullshit gun control legislation and every lobbyist attempting to curb them are only addressing a symptom of the disease. Until we, as a nation, acknowledge that criminalizing most drugs only perpetuates violence and funnels money, by the truckload, into the black market this is all a bunch of pissing in the wind. You could ban all guns tomorrow and it would do jack shit to the murder rate. You could legalize all, I'd prefer most, drugs tomorrow and the murder rate would plummet. I'm all for legalizing certain drugs, like marijuana, but how would legalizing these certain drugs bring down the violent crime rate among inner city youths? I would think that the crime rate would rise and more innocent people would die if you take a poor kids money away from them. They would then turn their attention towards the neighborhood rather than each other and their "Clients". It's not like these poor kids are going to go out and find a job if their means of income is taken away especially when there are many good paying jobs out there to get. RE: 82 shot, 14 fatalities, over the 4th of July weekend - bfine32 - 02-03-2016 (02-03-2016, 12:14 AM)GMDino Wrote: I know you are a Republican and all you want is to keep up the race war to garner votes for your candidates...so you'll ignore any truth.I know how important it is to you to think you've done this; so roll with that. I read everyone of those articles and nowhere did I see a theme of blacks killing black at an alarming rate is a problem. I did see a theme of minority youths not getting enough opportunities to excel. So I suggest BLM cares more abut whites and cops rarely killing blacks that they do blacks killing black at an incredible number and your proof that "I'm wrong" is pointing to obscure articles that truly do not address the issue. Quick, tell yourself that I am wrong again; because if you don't even you may start to doubt it. |