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RE: Roe Vs Wade Overturned - GMDino - 02-20-2024 This is...interesting. https://www.al.com/politics/2024/02/biden-campaign-ties-alabama-supreme-court-ruling-frozen-embryos-are-children-to-trump-ending-roe-v-wade.html Quote: RE: Roe Vs Wade Overturned - pally - 02-21-2024 another gift to the Democrats. Even conservatives use IVF and now the radical Christian right is coming after that and birth control as well with this ruling as some forms like the IUD prevent implantation of the embryo. RE: Roe Vs Wade Overturned - GMDino - 02-21-2024 They're all in. Of course they are. <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> RE: Roe Vs Wade Overturned - NATI BENGALS - 02-21-2024 https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/alabama-hospital-puts-pause-on-ivf-in-wake-of-ruling-saying-frozen-embryos-are-children Already causing pauses in IVF work. So not only has the GOP okayed forcing women to have to carry and birth a child they didn’t want, they now are responsible for crushing the hopes and dreams of parents who wanted a child and needed help from science. Any women who has never attempted to have a child before and is considering it in the future. May want to think really hard about that vote in November . RE: Roe Vs Wade Overturned - Arturo Bandini - 02-22-2024 Next step is that they'll tell you these embryo can cast a conservative vote by design. RE: Roe Vs Wade Overturned - pally - 02-22-2024 The University of Alabama at Birmingham, the major academic medical center in the state, has announced a pause in in vitro procedures due to fears of prosecution. This cuts across political spectrums. And will be an issue in Nov because this is exactly the type of slippery slope scenario that we talked about with the overturn of Roe. My niece is a wonderful mother to her 4 beautiful IVF children. She, her husband, and his family (including his sister who acted as their gestational carrier) would have been reliable Republican votes. Now not so much. They’ve already lost 4 of them. RE: Roe Vs Wade Overturned - Arturo Bandini - 02-22-2024 (02-22-2024, 10:39 AM)pally Wrote: The University of Alabama at Birmingham, the major academic medical center in the state, has announced a pause in in vitro procedures due to fears of prosecution. They don't care about other people and surely not about unborns. Cruelty is the point and always have been. They love that because it hurts so many people and the weakest one, the one they despise while praying God for their own salute. These people have no souls and if anyone think they will stop, they are deeply delusional. RE: Roe Vs Wade Overturned - pally - 02-22-2024 (02-22-2024, 11:09 AM)Arturo Bandini Wrote: They don't care about other people and surely not about unborns. cruelty and control you will follow their religious belief one way or another RE: Roe Vs Wade Overturned - Arturo Bandini - 02-22-2024 (02-22-2024, 11:21 AM)pally Wrote: cruelty and control The current speaker of the house thinks God talks to him ... What can go wrong ? RE: Roe Vs Wade Overturned - michaelsean - 02-22-2024 (02-20-2024, 09:41 PM)GMDino Wrote: This is...interesting. I gotta think Alabama and Northern California (despite its beauty) are two places I would never want to live. I get you can file some sort of lawsuit if a place destroys your embryos, it’s like anything else, but wrongful death? And possible criminal charges. That’s insane. RE: Roe Vs Wade Overturned - michaelsean - 02-22-2024 (02-22-2024, 11:48 AM)Arturo Bandini Wrote: The current speaker of the house thinks God talks to him ... Didn’t God talk to you? RE: Roe Vs Wade Overturned - GMDino - 02-22-2024 (02-22-2024, 01:06 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Didn’t God talk to you? That reminds me: I've told the story before about my friend from college who "found god" and now attends classes to study the bible and preaches at a men's prison in his spare time to help convert them. Back when we used to discuss religion a lot over dinner I asked him what would happen if I said god spoke to me and inspired through me a new gospel. He said he'd have to read it, study it to see if it matched up with current theology and what is int he bible. I explained that this was a NEW gospel. The old didn't matter anymore because god wanted us to make changes. He said he couldn't believe that. Which is why I repeat the line that it's funny how anyone who has god speak directly to them always seems to say god agrees exactly with what they are doing. RE: Roe Vs Wade Overturned - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 02-22-2024 (02-22-2024, 01:06 PM)michaelsean Wrote: I gotta think Alabama and Northern California (despite its beauty) are two places I would never want to live. I get you can file some sort of lawsuit if a place destroys your embryos, it’s like anything else, but wrongful death? And possible criminal charges. That’s insane. It's an interesting topic because, as Bel recently put it, there's no scientific standard you can set for when a fertilized egg becomes a human. If you go the extreme then the moment an egg is fertilized it is a human being with all attendant rights. I suppose you could go even further and state that even sperm and the egg are human, but that would make women a monthly murderer and men, well, you get it. The other end of the spectrum is those who would refuse to outlaw an elective abortion just days before delivery, essentially the baby is not a actual human until it exits the mother's body. I think the vast majority of people fall somewhere in the middle of that range, across a spectrum of course. I think a lot of people don't realize that under the Roe decision the US had abortion laws far more permissive than the rest of Western society, with only China being on the same level. Odd bedfellows indeed. Now that this is the standard for many on the left they see any restrictions beyond that previous standard to be unacceptable. I think a law more in line with the rest of the west, elective abortions in the first trimester range and after that only for solid medical reasons would probably satisfy 50-60% of the populace. Until we can get the moderates on this issue to solidify around this type of law we're going to get more of these extremes, and extremes don't do any of us any good in the long term. RE: Roe Vs Wade Overturned - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 02-22-2024 (02-22-2024, 01:22 PM)GMDino Wrote: That reminds me: I've told the story before about my friend from college who "found god" and now attends classes to study the bible and preaches at a men's prison in his spare time to help convert them. You essentially just described Mormonism. Of course a Christian is going to reject that, their faith is based on the Bible. Anything that deviates from that is not going to be seen as the same faith. Speaking as a 100% agnostic person I don't see any kind of a contradiction there, and organized religion is full of them. RE: Roe Vs Wade Overturned - Arturo Bandini - 02-22-2024 (02-22-2024, 01:06 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Didn’t God talk to you? Talking is not the word. But yes, I had a spiritual experience that I'm gladly sharing because it was way way out of this kind of 'conversation' that the New Moses has. And you are right, I may take it personnally because these horrible people always fearing, blaming, harrassing, abusing the weakest give a terrible image of what that vibe is ... RE: Roe Vs Wade Overturned - michaelsean - 02-22-2024 (02-22-2024, 01:33 PM)Arturo Bandini Wrote: Talking is not the word. But yes, I had a spiritual experience that I'm gladly sharing because it was way way out of this kind of 'conversation' that the New Moses has. What I’m saying is you if all people shouldn’t dismiss someone who says they talked to God in whatever form “talking” takes. Now if you dismiss it because you know or strongly believe God would never encourage a certain behavior then I could see that. RE: Roe Vs Wade Overturned - michaelsean - 02-22-2024 (02-22-2024, 01:33 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: You essentially just described Mormonism. Of course a Christian is going to reject that, their faith is based on the Bible. Anything that deviates from that is not going to be seen as the same faith. Speaking as a 100% agnostic person I don't see any kind of a contradiction there, and organized religion is full of them. Understanding you are agnostic, I wil say I believe God “talks” to plenty of people, and I don’t think God’s message ever changes. Men change it to benefit themselves. Like creating a narcissistic psychopath who will torture you forever if you don’t get it right and continuously let God know how awesome God is. That’ll keep people in line, and create never ending power for the select few. RE: Roe Vs Wade Overturned - Nately120 - 02-22-2024 (02-22-2024, 05:19 PM)michaelsean Wrote: What I’m saying is you if all people shouldn’t dismiss someone who says they talked to God in whatever form “talking” takes. Now if you dismiss it because you know or strongly believe God would never encourage a certain behavior then I could see that. God just told me that Mike Johnson is full of shit. RE: Roe Vs Wade Overturned - Arturo Bandini - 02-22-2024 (02-22-2024, 05:19 PM)michaelsean Wrote: What I’m saying is you if all people shouldn’t dismiss someone who says they talked to God in whatever form “talking” takes. Now if you dismiss it because you know or strongly believe God would never encourage a certain behavior then I could see that. I do agree as long as it doesn't mean to drive other people to your own agenda and to moralize people to your own beliefs. As far as I know, when we've been discussing this, I never issued moral statements to anyone based on this. RE: Roe Vs Wade Overturned - Nately120 - 02-22-2024 (02-22-2024, 05:31 PM)Arturo Bandini Wrote: I do agree as long as it doesn't mean to drive other people to your own agenda and to moralize people to your own beliefs. About a decade ago the crazy wife of a dude I know engaged in sexual intercourse with an 18 year old member of their church and when they attempted some church intervention and reconciliation apparently the kid said to him "God's already forgiven me and you will too eventually." He was the odd man out of that triad of god-talking. He and his wife got divorced...quitters. Though he seems a lot happier now with his new wife and life. God works in mysterious and occasionally perverted and sinful ways, I guess. |