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RE: State of the Union - GMDino - 01-31-2018 Gonna be REALLY difficult to make Democrats "not applauding" bad for a long time. RE: State of the Union - michaelsean - 01-31-2018 (01-31-2018, 03:43 PM)GMDino Wrote: Gonna be REALLY difficult to make Democrats "not applauding" bad for a long time. Doesn't this fall under your what about? It was one guy one time. Not the entire Republican Party. RE: State of the Union - Johnny Cupcakes - 01-31-2018 (01-31-2018, 03:33 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: 90%? C'mon man. I'd say 90% of what he said was stuff we should all be agreeing on. Now Guantanamo Bay and immigration policies I could see some differences, but even there I'm not sure why people would "hate" what he said. He doesn't want to keep everyone out, he just wants the process to be less random. Take the best other countries have to offer, rather than some lottery system. How often did you look at Barack Obama's speeches and think: "90% of this stuff is hot garbage". I'm betting more often than not. On the flipside of that, I enjoyed what he had to say and didn't see why anyone would "hate" it; why anyone would not jump on board with this dude and help progress the country. I don't expect you to agree with me there, even though I don't know why you don't. Same situation, just in reverse. I can occasionally feel like he has some good ideas, but the majority of his policy suggestions are fart-noise worthy. I will agree, that for the most part, he did not make himself look like an ass.....he did that to the Democrats instead. That was unexpected. And for parts of the address, he actually seemed presidential, rather than the twitter buffoon we've come to know. RE: State of the Union - Belsnickel - 01-31-2018 (01-31-2018, 03:33 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: 90%? C'mon man. I'd say 90% of what he said was stuff we should all be agreeing on. Now Guantanamo Bay and immigration policies I could see some differences, but even there I'm not sure why people would "hate" what he said. He doesn't want to keep everyone out, he just wants the process to be less random. Take the best other countries have to offer, rather than some lottery system. You do know that the lottery system still has work and education requirements, right? RE: State of the Union - Belsnickel - 01-31-2018 (01-31-2018, 03:55 PM)Johnny Cupcakes Wrote: I will agree, that for the most part, he did not make himself look like an ass.....he did that to the Democrats instead. That was unexpected. And for parts of the address, he actually seemed presidential, rather than the twitter buffoon we've come to know. He can read from a teleprompter. I don't know why people count this as presidential. I count it as "he didn't screw it up too bad". RE: State of the Union - GMDino - 01-31-2018 (01-31-2018, 03:51 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Doesn't this fall under your what about? It was one guy one time. Not the entire Republican Party. For years one side or the other didn't applaud. If I wanted to "whatabout" I'd cite that. This falls under a member of the GOP called the POTUS a liar during the SOTU speech. Remember is he was "rebuked" by the House...but the GOP didn't vote for it. And Wilson refused to apologize...(edit) saying Obama accepted his apology https://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/15/blogging-the-house-action-on-wilson/ "not applauding" doesn't come close to what that dbag did. And the entire party looked bad for it. RE: State of the Union - GMDino - 01-31-2018 (01-31-2018, 03:57 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: He can read from a teleprompter. I don't know why people count this as presidential. I count it as "he didn't screw it up too bad". Again, the bar is so low that not looking like the fool he usually is is good enough. It's sad. RE: State of the Union - Shake n Blake - 01-31-2018 (01-31-2018, 03:55 PM)Johnny Cupcakes Wrote: How often did you look at Barack Obama's speeches and think: "90% of this stuff is hot garbage". I'm betting more often than not. On the flipside of that, I enjoyed what he had to say and didn't see why anyone would "hate" it; why anyone would not jump on board with this dude and help progress the country. 1. I can honestly say "never". I kept an open mind with Obama. Understood where he was coming from on some issues and even agreed, but mostly disagreed with him on the hot button topics. 2. That was the most pleasing thing to me. I've never been happy with his demeanor as President, but I've been able to look past it and see the important things. I mostly agree with him on key issues and approve of the job he's done thus far. I wish he'd do more to help with race relations, but (a) Obama also did nothing and (b) I'm not sure Trump really can do anything to help. Anything he tries will be met with strong resistance and wild accusations of racism. Such as when he attended the opening of that civil rights museum. He can't win there. Dems have to convince their base that Trump is all evil, all the time. RE: State of the Union - Johnny Cupcakes - 01-31-2018 (01-31-2018, 03:57 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: He can read from a teleprompter. I don't know why people count this as presidential. I count it as "he didn't screw it up too bad". Well, the bar has been set pretty low. Look at his other debates/addresses/speeches/tirades. It was an upgrade from what we've gotten for the last two years. RE: State of the Union - Johnny Cupcakes - 01-31-2018 (01-31-2018, 04:08 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: He can't win there. Dems have to convince their base that Trump is all evil, all the time. As concerned and responsible citizens, we must realize that he's only mostly evil, most of the time. RE: State of the Union - michaelsean - 01-31-2018 (01-31-2018, 04:03 PM)GMDino Wrote: For years one side or the other didn't applaud. If I wanted to "whatabout" I'd cite that. When did someone yell "you lie" at a SOTU? RE: State of the Union - Shake n Blake - 01-31-2018 (01-31-2018, 04:11 PM)Johnny Cupcakes Wrote: As concerned and responsible citizens, we must realize that he's only mostly evil, most of the time. And with that, back to JN for me. You kiddos have fun. RE: State of the Union - michaelsean - 01-31-2018 (01-31-2018, 04:14 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Now you all did it. Shake is headed back to JN because it's too crazy here. You all eclipsed JN. RE: State of the Union - Belsnickel - 01-31-2018 (01-31-2018, 04:09 PM)Johnny Cupcakes Wrote: Well, the bar has been set pretty low. Look at his other debates/addresses/speeches/tirades. It was an upgrade from what we've gotten for the last two years. He's shown he can stay on script, before. It's when he doesn't have one in front of him, or he is addressing his base, that the real Trump comes out. RE: State of the Union - Johnny Cupcakes - 01-31-2018 (01-31-2018, 04:15 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Now you all did it. Shake is headed back to JN because it's too crazy here. You all eclipsed JN. Not possible. Even the day after the election, this place wasn't as bad as JN after a Bengals loss. RE: State of the Union - Belsnickel - 01-31-2018 (01-31-2018, 04:11 PM)Johnny Cupcakes Wrote: As concerned and responsible citizens, we must realize that he's only mostly evil, most of the time. I don't think he is evil, I just think he is incompetent and has ceded leadership responsibility and the responsibility for policy to unelected people that are also incompetent (or an enemy of the very institution they have been called upon to run). He is also a terrible example of humanity. RE: State of the Union - Johnny Cupcakes - 01-31-2018 (01-31-2018, 04:19 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I don't think he is evil, I just think he is incompetent and has ceded leadership responsibility and the responsibility for policy to unelected people that are also incompetent (or an enemy of the very institution they have been called upon to run). He is also a terrible example of humanity. I was kind of joking around with Shake....shoulda used a ninja. BUT....what you just described sounds pretty damned evil to me. Not like Satan evil....or Hitler evil....or Roethlisberger evil, but still evil based on the 'Profoundly Immoral' definition of the word. RE: State of the Union - Dill - 01-31-2018 (01-31-2018, 02:46 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: I'll just leave this here: amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jan/31/blinded-their-hatred-trump-dems-reveal-theyre-not-/ I am surprised that this kind of propaganda seems to work, even if for a limited sector of voters. Can articles like this this really, successfully, displace Trump's rage, frustration, and "beclowning" moments onto his opponents? Trump's opponents "rage" at him for things he actually says and does--e.g., grab P, ban Muslims, and lie about illegal voting. Not to mention his vindictive humiliation of his own AG and WH Staff. He is not "getting" opponents to express frustration with him. Rather, he cannot control himself and has no sense of consequences or accountability. That is why people "hate" seeing such a bad role model and incompetent in a position of such power. People are revealing "the worst" in themselves when they criticize Trump's documented bad behavior? Jeezuz . . . . . This is just top of the line mystification if it works. RE: State of the Union - Belsnickel - 01-31-2018 (01-31-2018, 05:06 PM)Dill Wrote: I am surprised that this kind of propaganda seems to work, even if for a limited sector of voters. Dill, I have some sad news for you... RE: State of the Union - StLucieBengal - 01-31-2018 (01-31-2018, 12:11 PM)Benton Wrote: That’s what he inferred but not what he said. That’s pretty good by trump standards. I don’t think calling out ms13 and other gangs is racist, not when they’re almost entirely composed of one race and members are committing terrible acts. Isn’t the infrastructure number a bit of a myth. 1.5 Trillion total but isn’t it like only 200b gov money the rest private. I could be wrong but I swear it was something like that.... Pelosi was furious about it he other day on Cuomo’s Show |