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RE: We need to learn Christian forgiveness and look past Trump's past actions! - THE Bigzoman - 04-02-2018 (03-28-2018, 01:36 PM)GMDino Wrote: Weird...I thought this Christian Nation was about forgiveness. I guess I was wrong about the number of Christians in this country who believed we should take care of each other and forgive those who have sinned. You're trying to compare Evangelicals' forgiveness towards Trump as a political leader to their endorsement of strict immigration policies? Tons and tons (and I mean tons) of the world's greatest leaders have skeletons in their closets. Tons more were philanderers. Expecting them to believe that morality diminishes one's effectiveness as a leader is pretty dumb. RE: We need to learn Christian forgiveness and look past Trump's past actions! - BmorePat87 - 04-03-2018 (04-02-2018, 07:01 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Simply pointing out that not everyone who serves in the US Military is interested in becoming a US Citizen, In this case I don't find it extremely stupid (asinine) to suggest becoming a citizen was not a priority for this guy, until he realized that he was facing deportation. i would most likely find it asinine if anyone believes this guy didn't know he wasn't a citizen. Glad we cleared that up. Totally logical to make baseless assumptions about people we don't know, totally illogical to call people out for doing that. Quality contribution, bud. I'll be sure to bookmark this one for the next time you cry about a thread. RE: We need to learn Christian forgiveness and look past Trump's past actions! - GMDino - 04-03-2018 (04-02-2018, 09:59 PM)THE Bigzoman Wrote: You're trying to compare Evangelicals' forgiveness towards Trump as a political leader to their endorsement of strict immigration policies? More or less...because they thought Obama was "out to get them" and not a Christian but LOVE how holy Trump is. They are not religious...they are opportunistic and trying to push a political agenda. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/evangelical-leader-tired-of-being-kicked-around-by-obama-gives-trump-mulligan-for-alleged-dalliance-with-porn-star-2018-01-23 Quote:Tony Perkins, as a prominent evangelical figure and president of the Family Research Council, what’s your take on Donald Trump’s alleged Stormy Daniels affair? And, in your view, does any of his lewd behavior make him unfit for the White House? RE: We need to learn Christian forgiveness and look past Trump's past actions! - Dill - 04-03-2018 (04-02-2018, 09:59 PM)THE Bigzoman Wrote: You're trying to compare Evangelicals' forgiveness towards Trump as a political leader to their endorsement of strict immigration policies? Bad morality certainly can diminish one's effectiveness as a leader. Tons and tons of the world's leaders did not win office pandering to the evangelical vote. Evangelical leaders said the immoral Clinton was unfit for office precisely because of his immorality. Evangelicals stood on principle, they said. In Trump's case it is simply God choosing an imperfect vessel to do his work. RE: We need to learn Christian forgiveness and look past Trump's past actions! - THE Bigzoman - 04-04-2018 (04-03-2018, 09:40 PM)Dill Wrote: Bad morality certainly can diminish one's effectiveness as a leader. It can, but that doesn't mean it does. And it hasn't for a ton of people. Again, the armies of examples just goes to show how dumb it is to beleive that. RE: We need to learn Christian forgiveness and look past Trump's past actions! - Dill - 04-04-2018 (04-04-2018, 12:55 AM)THE Bigzoman Wrote: It can, but that doesn't mean it does. And it hasn't for a ton of people. Again, the armies of examples just goes to show how dumb it is to beleive that. The issue is that evangelicals believe it does, or did when Clinton was president. Now they don't. Overnight. RE: We need to learn Christian forgiveness and look past Trump's past actions! - michaelsean - 04-04-2018 (04-04-2018, 09:29 AM)Dill Wrote: The issue is that evangelicals believe it does, or did when Clinton was president. Who are "the evangelicals" that you are speaking of as a single entity? RE: We need to learn Christian forgiveness and look past Trump's past actions! - Dill - 04-04-2018 (04-04-2018, 09:36 AM)michaelsean Wrote: Who are "the evangelicals" that you are speaking of as a single entity? People who self-identify as evangelicals and support Trump. Referencing a demographic which overwhelmingly supports the Grabber-in-chief doesn't assume they are a single entity. https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/13/why-evangelicals-love-trump-243769 Yet he has told advisers he sees evangelicals as among his most important constituencies, and he has enjoyed fervent support, as evidenced by another rapturous reception on Friday at the Values Voter Summit. A Reuters poll in September showed more than 60 percent of white evangelicals back Trump, far higher than his overall approval rating, which has often fallen below 40 percent. “Trump has been focused like a laser beam on the evangelical vote since the day he entered the presidential race in June 2015, and that has never changed," said Ralph Reed, founder and chairman of the Faith and Freedom Coalition, who said Trump called religious leaders repeatedly during the campaign. RE: We need to learn Christian forgiveness and look past Trump's past actions! - michaelsean - 04-04-2018 (04-04-2018, 10:40 AM)Dill Wrote: People who self-identify as evangelicals and support Trump. Referencing a demographic which overwhelmingly supports the Grabber-in-chief doesn't assume they are a single entity. But you are including a lot of people, including black Democrats, when you use the term "evangelical". For example, 3/4 of blacks in Alabama consider themselves evangelical. RE: We need to learn Christian forgiveness and look past Trump's past actions! - Dill - 04-04-2018 (04-04-2018, 10:47 AM)michaelsean Wrote: But you are including a lot of people, including black Democrats, when you use the term "evangelical". For example, 3/4 of blacks in Alabama consider themselves evangelical. Perhaps that is why the evangelical Trump buy in is not 100%. It slides between 70 and 80%. Some have said they stand on principle and do not back Trump because of his behavior--just not in substantial numbers. Many black evangelicals in Alabama might also vote for Trump, though, or in higher numbers than their northern/Western group members. You have introduced a material consideration here. Perhaps in the future I should say "a super majority of White Evangelicals back Trump no matter what" until I have sorted out the demographics. |