(06-22-2018, 03:01 PM)bfine32 Wrote: You heard correctly:

(06-22-2018, 12:37 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: Is the furor over children being detained, or over the fact that they were being detained separate from their parents when their parents were with them crossing the border?

My understanding is that it is the latter.

(06-22-2018, 04:34 PM)Millhouse Wrote: It's the latter that took two months of it to build after the zero-tolerance policy was enacted.

Children for years have been detained when crossing illegally without a parent.

In regards to Canada, they have it nice though with the U.S. being a great buffer zone between them and central/south America. Unfortunately for the U.S., we have Mexico as our buffer zone. And because of that, we are going to struggle with illegal immigrants, guns, and drugs for decades to come entering our country.

(06-22-2018, 03:20 PM)Dill Wrote: How 'bout these: refugee kids separated from parents--or actors?

(06-22-2018, 03:40 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: Technically not actors. They were demonstrators. But they were mislabeled as illegal immigrants, which I find shameful because they fooled me at first.

Also, not a fan of parents bringing their kids to "help in the demonstration". Let the kids make up their own minds when they are older, IMAO.

(06-22-2018, 10:59 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: ..

(06-22-2018, 04:34 PM)Millhouse Wrote: It's the latter that took two months of it to build after the zero-tolerance policy was enacted.

Children for years have been detained when crossing illegally without a parent.

In regards to Canada, they have it nice though with the U.S. being a great buffer zone between them and central/south America. Unfortunately for the U.S., we have Mexico as our buffer zone. And because of that, we are going to struggle with illegal immigrants, guns, and drugs for decades to come entering our country.

(06-22-2018, 08:06 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Going with pictures of the waves of unaccompanied minors from 2014, eh?

(06-22-2018, 10:59 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: ..

(06-25-2018, 01:11 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Actually this cover would be more appropriate:

(06-25-2018, 01:39 PM)fredtoast Wrote: This is just another example of Trump deflecting blame by attacking the media.

What if TIME had used a drawing?  Would you then claim there was no problem at the border because the image was "made up"?

It does not matter what picture they use.  The problem was REAL.  But now Trump supporters want to act like it never really happened and the media just made it all up.

(06-25-2018, 02:09 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Are you saying it's ok for the media to make shit up?

Don't you think it would be better for the media to not make shit up to criticize someone when there is something legitimate to criticize him or her for?

(06-25-2018, 02:20 PM)fredtoast Wrote: They did not make anything up.  The family separation crisis on the border was real.

But Trump has convinced some people that the fact that TIME used the wrong picture means there was no problem.

(06-25-2018, 02:20 PM)fredtoast Wrote: They did not make anything up.  The family separation crisis on the border was real.

(06-25-2018, 02:20 PM)fredtoast Wrote: But Trump has convinced some people that the fact that TIME used the wrong picture means there was no problem.

Quote:We can't afford news media blunders in the Donald Trump era. Skip the cheap smear tactics.

Two recent news media fumbles illustrate nicely the present divide between mainstream journalism’s ambitions and its chronically blundering execution. There is a reason that American trust of the media is at such historic lows. There are things the media can do to rectify this, if we care to.

The first fumble came from Time Magazine, which published a cover story examining President Donald Trump’s controversial border separation policy. The photo-shopped cover of that issue features an immigrant toddler bawling as Trump serenely looks down upon her. “Welcome to America,” the caption reads — the obvious implication being that the immigrant girl had been torn from her parents at the behest of Trump’s policy. Indeed, the story itself initially stated that the girl had been “carried away screaming by U.S. Border Patrol agents.”

But she wasn’t. It didn’t happen. The heavy insinuation on Time’s cover, along with the explicit account in the story itself, turned out to be false. The girl’s father confirmed that she was never taken from her mother. Time eventually corrected the story, stating that rather than being carted off by border agents, “her mother picked her up and the two were taken away together.”

Time exploited a little girl's tears

It is bad enough that the magazine outright reported on an event that didn’t actually happen. But Time’s cover adds another layer of media malpractice to the whole thing. In effect the magazine is exploiting the tears of a little girl in order to drive home a political point; it is tricking readers into thinking a photograph is depicting something that objectively it is not.

In other contexts this tactic would have been roundly condemned. By way of example, several years ago, when pro-life activist David Daleiden used some stock footage of a stillborn baby to illustrate an abortion worker’s claims, the news media had a feeding frenzy over it. The Washington Post, CNN, ThinkProgress and other outlets were quick to point it out. Nobody likes to be fooled.

More: Trump's vicious assault on immigrant children hits America's moral gag reflex

Immigrant family separation policy reveals the brokenness of our political incentives

Hold Mexico and other countries accountable for their immigrant children

Not to be outdone, the Associated Press last week published a bombshell report on a civil rights lawsuit brought by numerous immigrant children. They were allegedly held at a detention center in Virginia and subject to brutal abuse, including being “beaten while handcuffed and locked up for long periods in solitary confinement, left nude and shivering in concrete cells.”

The allegations are horrifying. What was surprising, however, was the way the article framed them. In the original report, which has since been amended online, readers had to make it through over 20 paragraphs before learning that most of the alleged abuse took place under the Obama administration.

Tell the truth. Don't lie. Don't trick.
Not only did the article deeply bury the context of the allegations, it also strongly implied that the abuse was taking place solely under the Trump administration. One paragraph reads: “Many of the children were sent [to the detention facility] after U.S. immigration authorities accused them of belonging to violent gangs, including MS-13. President Donald Trump has repeatedly cited gang activity as justification for his crackdown on illegal immigration.” Such framing makes it seem as if the alleged abuse was a direct consequence of Trump’s rhetoric, when that simply wasn’t the case.

The revised article makes it clear that much of the abuse dates from the Obama era. But the clarification came after the article had already been shared thousands upon thousands of times on social media. When stories like this drop, they spread across the globe within a matter of minutes — no matter if the story itself is misleading or unfair.

The news media need to do better than this. Our present political moment needs a strong and professional journalism industry, not one that is interested in cheap, dishonest tactics meant to smear the president. This is particularly crucial when one remembers that Trump himself has signaled a willingness to try and muzzle the media: On the campaign trail, he expressed a desire to use libel laws to shut up anyone who criticizes him. A media that regularly shreds its own credibility — with Trump voters, for one, but also with the larger body politic — is ill-suited to take on that kind of threat.

Be honest. Tell the truth. Don’t lie. Don’t trick. These are rules every journalist should follow. We should not think we have the luxury of slapdash journalism. It is bad for the industry and ultimately bad for the country.

(06-25-2018, 02:50 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Then maybe use a picture of a family being separated.

Quote:Maybe if these news agencies would stick to just reporting facts and using appropriate picutres, it would be harder for Trump. 

If Time wants to report there's a problem, maybe use a picture that accurately represents said problem.

(06-25-2018, 02:24 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Who the hell has said there is no problem?

(06-25-2018, 02:59 PM)PhilHos Wrote: I'm just going to drop this here:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/06/25/news-media-blunders-immigrant-children-donald-trump-time-ap-column/729331002/

(06-25-2018, 03:04 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Everyone who is obsessed with blaming the media instead of talking about the underlying issue.