Trump admin to end separation policy

[Bengalzona]

https://www.npr.org/2018/06/20/621798823/speaker-ryan-plans-immigration-votes-amid-doubts-that-bills-can-pass?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20180620

Quote:Trump Says He Will Sign Order To End Family Separations

President Trump said on Wednesday he will be signing an executive order to address his controversial zero-tolerance immigration policy that has resulted in thousands of family separations and brought criticism from Democrats and Republicans.

"We're going to keep families together but we still have to maintain toughness or our country will be overrun by people, by crime, by all of the things that we don't stand for and that we don't want," Trump said.

At a brief announcement at the White House, Trump did not provide further details on how families would be kept together or how detentions would be handled going forward. The president had not yet signed the order, but said he would before leaving on a trip to Minnesota Wednesday afternoon.

Lawmakers from both parties, mindful of how frequently Trump reverses course, particularly on immigration, where he has repeatedly shifted positions within the course of hours, are waiting to see the details of what the order would do.

Sen. Robert Menendez, D-N.J., repeatedly shrugged his shoulders when asked about Trump's announcement. "I don't have much hope with the president that he'll do something that's actually good."

"He's thinking of doing something?" asked Sen. Chris Coons, D-Del. "I need to see what he actually does to have any real comment."

Sen. Pat Roberts, R-Kansas, one of 13 Senate Republicans who signed a letter urging Trump to end his administration's separation policy, was also waiting on the yet-unknown details. "If that's what he's done, then that's a good thing," he said.

During his remarks Wednesday, President Trump again called on Congress to pass legislation to address the issue created by his administration's policy. The decision to reverse the policy comes despite the fact that administration officials have insisted for days that only Congress could fix the problem.

House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wis., said Wednesday that the House will vote on immigration legislation, despite signs that the bills up for consideration cannot pass.

The House is expected to vote Thursday on a pair of immigration proposals. The first will be a hard-line option written by Rep. Bob Goodlatte, R-Va., to cut back on both legal and illegal immigration. The second option is a compromise between conservatives and Republican moderates.

Both bills include language to end the controversial White House policy of separating migrant parents from their children at the border.

"Tomorrow we're going to have a vote on legislation that makes sure we can enforce our laws and keep families together," Ryan told reporters at a weekly press briefing. "We don't think families should be separated."

Ryan said it is a "ridiculous choice" to decide between separating families and enforcing laws, and both bills up for consideration would take steps to solve the issue.

But multiple House Republicans say they don't believe that either bill can pass, even after President Trump told GOP members he would support them on immigration.

Conservative Rep. Warren Davidson, R-Ohio, told NPR's Rachel Martin that both bills represent a compromise, and neither has sufficient support.

"I don't think either of them can pass right now," Davidson said. "The compromise that's most recent is a compromise within a compromise."

Trump told Republicans during a closed-door meeting Tuesday night that he would support them "1,000 percent" on immigration but did not specifically back either bill.

Meanwhile, Democrats spent the morning calling on Trump and congressional Republicans to end the policy in speeches on the House floor. Civil rights icon Rep. John Lewis, D-Ga., opened a series of speeches saying "as we stand here, a five-year-old woke up in a cage."

"This morning, Mr. Speaker, that innocent little child is crying in a cage," Lewis said. "And we stand here doing nothing."

[*bfine32*]

Imagine the outrage when he locks up the entire family.

[Bengalzona]

(06-20-2018, 02:54 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Imagine the outrage when he locks up the entire family.

Probably less of a reaction than when he decides to put them on bread and water.

[*PhilHos*]

Kudos to Trump for finally doing the right thing.

[jj22]

Good move by Trump. But all this time he lied to everyone saying there was nothing he could do.......

[*bfine32*]

(06-20-2018, 02:57 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Kudos to Trump for finally doing the right thing.

Given we do not know what he is going to do. "Not separate the family" gives him quite a bit of latitude. I can see big, wonderful family detention centers in the future.

[Arturo Bandini]

Thanks Melania.

[*PhilHos*]

(06-20-2018, 03:30 PM)Arturo Bandini Wrote: Thanks Melania.

Out of curiosity, do you have something against Melania?

[*bfine32*]

(06-20-2018, 03:31 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Out of curiosity, do you have something against Melania?

I'd like to have something against Melania. She would look much happier.


But more to the point lots of folks display animosity against FLOTUS simply because of who she is married to. For instance she tweeted that a subject she and the Queen of Spain was welfare of children. The Twittersphere blew up with hate filled remarks.

[Griever]

(06-20-2018, 02:54 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Imagine the outrage when he locks up the entire family.

yeah locking up families for what comes out to a misdemeanor that is usually handled by a fine

the caging of children **** up was and will be on trumps head as it was his AG that enacted the policy of doing it

[fredtoast]

(06-20-2018, 02:57 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Kudos to Trump for finally doing the right thing.

What did he do?

[*bfine32*]

(06-20-2018, 04:22 PM)Griever Wrote: yeah locking up families for what comes out to a misdemeanor that is usually handled by a fine

the caging of children **** up was and will be on trumps head as it was his AG that enacted the policy of doing it

What the left wants you to believe:

[*bfine32*]

(06-20-2018, 03:33 PM)bfine32 Wrote: But more to the point lots of folks display animosity against FLOTUS simply because of who she is married to. For instance she tweeted that a subject she and the Queen of Spain was welfare of children. The Twittersphere  blew up with hate filled remarks.

More rancor from the left:

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/peter-fonda-suggests-separating-donald-trump-son-barron-163200493.html

Quote:Actor Peter Fonda targeted President Donald Trump’s 12-year-old son Barron in a late-night Twitter rant about the separation of immigrant families at the U.S. border.

“We should rip Barron Trump from his mother’s arms and put him in a cage with pedophiles,” the actor wrote in an all-caps rant that he later deleted. “And see if mother will stand up against the giant a–hole she is married to.”

[jj22]

I can't believe folks are upset about the policy change. Child concentration camps should never be acceptable. And if you are upset that someone said Barron should be in one, then you should be upset that there are actually kids that are in them. What's worse, someone saying a kid should be in one, or someone actually putting kids in one?

I guess there are those that believe it's worse to say a kid should be in one......

[Bengalzona]

Per the original law, separation happens only if officials find that the adult is falsely claiming to be the child’s parent, is a threat to the child, or is put into criminal proceedings. All of this has been intact since the regulations were put in place. But children were generally not separated from parents before.

What has changed with this administration is the last part: criminal proceedings. Before, parents with children were not automatically put into criminal proceedings. This administration has elected to do that, in addition to denying asylum requests for a wide variety of reasons.

If the administration were sincere in their belief that all people who cross the border illegally are criminals, that would be one thing. But as evidenced by the President's tweets earlier, that was not the case. This was about the admin implementing this policy only until they get funding for a border wall (apparently they have given up on Mexico paying for such a wall and have returned to trying to force this upon the American taxpayer).

The potential for this to happen was always there. But previous admins chose a more open interpretation to allow tolerance for those seeking asylum from horrific conditions and to avoid separating parents and children unnecessarily. This administration and it's base feel (no pun intended) that it is necessary to separate parents and children in order to 'persuade' Democrats to vote a certain way? I think there is a word for that.

[*bfine32*]

(06-20-2018, 06:31 PM)jj22 Wrote: I can't believe folks are upset about the policy change. Child concentration camps should never be acceptable. And if you are upset that someone said Barron should be in one, then you should be upset that there are actually kids that are in them. What's worse, someone saying a kid should be in one, or someone actually putting kids in one?

I guess there are those that believe it's worse to say a kid should be in one......

If you ignore the part about Baron's parents did not enter this country illegally and the fact the tweet suggested he should be placed in a cage with pedophiles then you have a point. Outside of that then your just excuses a hateful, yet liberal, tweet.

Also, I have seen no one here or otherwise upset about the proposed policy change. It appears they are going to detain the entire family. Personally I think it's a great solution. Now the left may still be upset because we don't just release the to fail to show up for their court date.

[NATI BENGALS]

(06-20-2018, 05:04 PM)bfine32 Wrote: More rancor from the left:

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/peter-fonda-suggests-separating-donald-trump-son-barron-163200493.html

Good good embrace the darkside. Focus your outrage on something that does not matter even the tiniest amount like some actor whose tweets dont mean a shitting thing.

And play your role as a pawn to defend a president who has been lying to your country.

Sad

[jj22]

(06-20-2018, 06:49 PM)bfine32 Wrote: If you ignore the part about Baron's parents did not enter this country illegally and the fact the tweet suggested he should be placed in a cage with pedophiles then you have a point. Outside of that then your just excuses a hateful, yet liberal, tweet.

Also, I have seen no one here or otherwise upset about the proposed policy change. It appears they are going to detain the entire family. Personally I think it's a great solution. Now the left may still be upset because we don't just release the to fail to show up for their court date.

I think your outrage over someone saying a kid should be in a concentration camp vs your "outrage" over kids actually being in them speaks for itself. But carry on excusing those who actually put kid in concentration camps while flaming outrage over a tweet from some random person saying a kid should be in one.

[*bfine32*]

(06-20-2018, 06:49 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: Per the original law, separation happens only if officials find that the adult is falsely claiming to be the child’s parent, is a threat to the child, or is put into criminal proceedings. All of this has been intact since the regulations were put in place. But children were generally not separated from parents before.

What has changed with this administration is the last part: criminal proceedings. Before, parents with children were not automatically put into criminal proceedings. This administration has elected to do that, in addition to denying asylum requests for a wide variety of reasons.

If the administration were sincere in their belief that all people who cross the border illegally are criminals, that would be one thing. But as evidenced by the President's tweets earlier, that was not the case. This was about the admin implementing this policy only until they get funding for a border wall (apparently they have given up on Mexico paying for such a wall and have returned to trying to force this upon the American taxpayer).

The potential for this to happen was always there. But previous admins chose a more open interpretation to allow tolerance for those seeking asylum from horrific conditions and to avoid separating parents and children unnecessarily. This administration and it's base feel (no pun intended) that it is necessary to separate parents and children in order to 'persuade' Democrats to vote a certain way? I think there is a word for that.

So you're good with a system that releases someone that crosses the border illegally and fails to show up for their court date about 80+% of the time; because that's what past administrations were doing?

[jj22]

In this administrations eyes, these kids and their family's were better off claiming to be Nazi's and Klansman. Then at least they'd be considered "Very fine people", and not roaches.