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RE: Khashoggi, Kushner, Trump - jj22 - 11-21-2018 As more and more Americans look on in disgust at Trump attacking America and our Allies Intel (again) this time on behalf of the Saudi Arabia King in the face of recorded facts, I must ask; have they not been paying attention? Who still thinks this guy cares about America? How many dictators and enemy's of ours did he have to side with before you got to this point? How many Gold Star families, and Navy Seals did he have to attack, or Fallen Military memorials did he have to skip to get to this point? He cares about himself and only himself. He is finally getting criticized by even his supporters, but too little too late. They've already put this Anti American in office and the damage (as he acts like America is dependent on countries like Russia, and Saudi Arabia) when in reality we are the Super Power with the best economy and they are our clients. He's got it all backwards and the damage he's done to America on the World Stage as he empowers our enemy's and attack our Allies will take generations to undo. Great Job Trump Supporters. You did the country you supposedly "love" a great disservice. RE: Khashoggi, Kushner, Trump - Dill - 11-21-2018 (11-21-2018, 11:39 AM)jj22 Wrote: As more and more Americans look on in disgust at Trump attacking America and our Allies Intel (again) this time on behalf of the Saudi Arabia King in the face of recorded facts, I must ask; have they not been paying attention? Who still thinks this guy cares about America? How many dictators and enemy's of ours did he have to side with before you got to this point? How many Gold Star families, and Navy Seals did he have to attack, or Fallen Military memorials did he have to skip to get to this point? He cares about himself and only himself. He is criticized by some, not all. He has some supporters partially flummoxed though. I was listening to Tom Shillue today on Fox Radio. He had a moment where he thought the U.S. should take a public stand against Saudi Murder, as well as working behind the scenes. But then he spent the next 20 minutes explaining why Trump's recent spat with the SCOTUS over his executive order on asylum is really no different from Obama calling out the Supreme court for Citizens United. The only difference was that Trump's language was more "blunt" (e.g. calling the Supreme Court "Obama judges"). But the NYT framed it so that Trump's behavior was "authoritarian." (Perhaps because it was, while Obama was defending the rule of law.) This will work as explanation for Trump's base, and further the narrative that Trump's tremendous negatives are a result of "bias," not Trump's behavior. That turns all these Trump missteps back into the mire of identity politics. Criticizing Trump is criticizing the judgment of his supporters. They respond by doubling down on their support. On the positive side, Trump voters, not necessarily the base, are peeling away. My internist, who is Indian, surprised me when I went into my check up two years ago by proclaiming support for Trump. His complaint was rising insurance costs, which he though Trump would manage better than the Democrats . I went in for my check up today and he was ranting about Trump's accommodation to Saudi Arabia, and how that is not "America." He finally gets that Trump, in addition to not understanding rule of law and checks and balances, has no ethical core, and no conception of the kind of international blowback his actions will have, not to mention domestically. He is in a downward spiral, and hopefully won't last another year; but the problem of Fox and the Trump base will remain; they will continue to support authoritarian candidates and the undermining of the press, the intel services, and now the Supreme court. RE: Khashoggi, Kushner, Trump - jj22 - 11-26-2018 More Anti America talk from Trump in defense of the Saudi King. https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/22/trump-salman-khashoggi-murder-1012552 RE: Khashoggi, Kushner, Trump - BmorePat87 - 11-26-2018 (11-26-2018, 11:19 AM)jj22 Wrote: More Anti America talk from Trump in defense of the Saudi King. What was the best thing he did while calling the troops to wish them a happy Thanksgiving? Defending a murderous autocratic because he wants to keep gas prices low or complaining about judges ruling against him? RE: Khashoggi, Kushner, Trump - jj22 - 11-26-2018 To those who mocked Obama for spending Thanksgiving feeding Vets, are we shocked? RE: Khashoggi, Kushner, Trump - GMDino - 11-26-2018 (11-26-2018, 11:30 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: What was the best thing he did while calling the troops to wish them a happy Thanksgiving? Defending a murderous autocratic because he wants to keep gas prices low or complaining about judges ruling against him? I thought it was asking for their location, how many people were there and telling them that he knows they have faulty equipment. RE: Khashoggi, Kushner, Trump - Dill - 11-26-2018 (11-26-2018, 11:19 AM)jj22 Wrote: More Anti America talk from Trump in defense of the Saudi King. Well, I have to say that I agree with Trump on this. It is VERY likely that MbS now regrets the murder he ordered more than Trump does. It has created a great deal of international stress for SA, and increased the likelihood of internecine political war there. RE: Khashoggi, Kushner, Trump - GMDino - 11-28-2018 https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/11/28/mike-pompeo-blasts-lawmakers-over-jamal-khashoggis-murder-saudi-arabia-yemen/2136140002/ Quote:Secretary of State Mike Pompeo blasts lawmakers for ‘caterwauling’ over Khashoggi’s murder They are disgusting people.... RE: Khashoggi, Kushner, Trump - Dill - 11-28-2018 (11-28-2018, 02:35 PM)GMDino Wrote: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/11/28/mike-pompeo-blasts-lawmakers-over-jamal-khashoggis-murder-saudi-arabia-yemen/2136140002/ Yeah, this bothers me a lot. Fewer adults in the room now. More arsonists than firefighters. SA was now supposed to step in as a "hard power" bulwark against Iranian expansion ("We don't need no stinkin' Iran Deal"), led by the assumption MbS would "modernize" SA and be all pro-American and in the region and tolerate Israel. Now in the midst of a flagrant human rights violation involving a U.S. resident on foreign soil, the administration would foist an either/or on the U.S./international community, which can imagine a range of possible alternatives which preserve the SA-US relation without ignoring a horrific international crime. Hard to tell if the limitation is internal to Bolton et al. (have they ALWAYS only been able to view Gulf conflict in simple either/or terms?), or a sign of more direct Trump control over policy. “Is it any coincidence that the people using the Khashoggi murder as a cudgel against President Trump’s Saudi Arabia policy are the same people who supported Barack Obama’s rapprochement with Iran — a regime that has killed thousands worldwide, including hundreds of Americans, and brutalizes its own people?" Pompeo wrote. "Where was this echo chamber, where were these avatars of human rights, when Mr. Obama gave the mullahs pallets of cash to carry out their work as the world’s largest state sponsor of terrorism?" Lol, They were thinking about some 15,000 of the mullahs' centrifuges and 98% of their enriched plutonium taken out by Obama, and how lifting sanctions would strengthen the Iranian middle class, moving it towards real democracy. RE: Khashoggi, Kushner, Trump - GMDino - 12-10-2018 https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2018/12/10/jared-did-what/?utm_term=.6bac2c125699 Quote:Quote:Senior American officials were worried. Since the early months of the Trump administration, Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and Middle East adviser, had been having private, informal conversations with Prince Mohammed bin Salman, the favorite son of Saudi Arabia’s king. . . . The exchanges continued even after the Oct. 2 killing of Jamal Khashoggi, the Saudi journalist who was ambushed and dismembered by Saudi agents, according to two former senior American officials and the two people briefed by the Saudis. . . . RE: Khashoggi, Kushner, Trump - Dill - 12-11-2018 (12-10-2018, 07:33 PM)GMDino Wrote: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2018/12/10/jared-did-what/?utm_term=.6bac2c125699 Once poor judgment from the bottom up puts a grifter in charge of the Executive Branch of the U.S. government, bad judgment then flows from the top down, not only counting Trump's judgment, but those of his incapable appointees. The big mystery is still why so many still think lack of foundational knowledge of governance and any cognizance of ethical principle in a president doesn't matter all that much. Supreme Court picks can't explain it all. People can understand why KC had to let Kareem Hunt go. We all saw the video. But no one in the Trump administration will listen to the tape of Kashoggi's murder, and the U.S. has to keep SA on Team USA no matter what--not even a game suspension. The Senate may force consequences on Saudi A, but that doesn't come from our "strong" president, the one who can't actually fire anyone in person. RE: Khashoggi, Kushner, Trump - jj22 - 03-29-2019 https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/pompeo-meets-saudi-prince-who-lured-jamal-khashoggi-to-his-death This Admin just loves them some Dictators. RE: Khashoggi, Kushner, Trump - Dill - 03-29-2019 (03-29-2019, 12:32 PM)jj22 Wrote: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/pompeo-meets-saudi-prince-who-lured-jamal-khashoggi-to-his-death And they has some short memories. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/state-department-deflects-calls-to-expel-saudi-prince-from-us The State Department is so far ignoring calls from Congress to expel Saudi Arabia’s ambassador to the United States to protest the country's role in the death of dissident Jamal Khashoggi. “We’re not going to get into hypotheticals,” a State Department spokesperson told the Washington Examiner. That response came after a senior Senate Democrat called for President Trump to expel Prince Khalid bin Salman, the brother of Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, as a response to Khashoggi's death. The execution, which took place in a Saudi diplomatic facility in Turkey, outraged lawmakers of both parties and intensified bipartisan pressure to rebuke the oil-rich monarchy for a range of humanitarian abuses. “Unless the Saudi kingdom understands that civilized countries around the world reject this conduct and make sure that a price is paid, the Saudis will continue to do it,” Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., said while reiterating his call for Prince Khalid’s expulsion. The controversy has spurred a bipartisan effort to pass a resolution ending U.S. support for Saudi Arabia’s war in Yemen, where Iranian-backed rebels overthrew the Saudi-friendly government. But that move is a bridge too far for some Republicans who want to maintain the U.S.-Saudi partnership against Iran. RE: Khashoggi, Kushner, Trump - GMDino - 04-10-2019
RE: Khashoggi, Kushner, Trump - michaelsean - 04-10-2019 (04-10-2019, 09:11 AM)GMDino Wrote: Maybe I'm misreading this as I have only the tweet, but isn't that something we would want him to do? RE: Khashoggi, Kushner, Trump - BmorePat87 - 04-10-2019 (04-10-2019, 10:23 AM)michaelsean Wrote: Maybe I'm misreading this as I have only the tweet, but isn't that something we would want him to do? I think that should start with publicly holding him accountable for the sadistic murder of a journalist. RE: Khashoggi, Kushner, Trump - jj22 - 04-10-2019 (04-10-2019, 10:23 AM)michaelsean Wrote: Maybe I'm misreading this as I have only the tweet, but isn't that something we would want him to do? No. This guy doesn't listen to Trump. Trump listens to him. Trump shows he cares by holing someone accountable. Not by bringing credibility to this guy by officially meeting with him, and inviting him to our country/WH. |