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RE: Cuomo admits he's lost total control of NYC - bfine32 - 09-08-2020
(09-08-2020, 07:31 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Refusing to change names of military bases that honor Confederate War heroes even though the military wants to do it. Not a policy
Favors voter ID laws and opposes mail voting. Not a policy to suppress minority vote
Ended temporary resident permits for 60000 Haitians who fled to the United Sates after the 2010 earthquake. 9 years after the earthquake the admit made the determination that the country was ready to have them return
Refused to designate Venezuelans temporary protected status at a time when thousands of refugees are seeking asylum from political persecution. So not granting an exemption status is "limiting legal immigration"
Increased cost of application for citizenship from $640 to $1160 Did he only raise the price for "shithole countries"
Didn't you feel a little like "Well I really don't have shit" when typing those?
RE: Cuomo admits he's lost total control of NYC - fredtoast - 09-08-2020
(09-08-2020, 07:45 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Didn't you feel a little like "Well I really don't have shit" when typing those?
Voter ID laws suppress minority voting. You have been shown the truth many times. Even Republicans have admitted it. Your opinion tht it does not is meaningless.
You did not deny that the immigration policies effected Haiti, Venezuela, and poorer countries. All you did was claim that in your opinion they were justified.
As to renaming military bases Trump said "my Administration will not even consider the renaming of these Magnificent and Fabled Military Installations." How is that NOT a policy statement?
RE: Cuomo admits he's lost total control of NYC - CarolinaBengalFanGuy - 09-08-2020
(09-08-2020, 07:53 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Voter ID laws suppress minority voting. You have been shown the truth many times. Even Republicans have admitted it. Your opinion tht it does not is meaningless.
You did not deny that the immigration policies effected Haiti, Venezuela, and poorer countries. All you did was claim that in your opinion they were justified.
As to renaming military bases Trump said "my Administration will not even consider the renaming of these Magnificent and Fabled Military Installations." How is that NOT a policy statement?
Tell me more about Voter ID laws.
RE: Cuomo admits he's lost total control of NYC - bfine32 - 09-08-2020
(09-08-2020, 07:53 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Voter ID laws suppress minority voting. You have been shown the truth many times. Even Republicans have admitted it. Your opinion tht it does not is meaningless.He has made no policies to limit legal immigration from "shithole countries". All I did was show they weren't policies designed at limiting legal immigration.
You did not deny that the immigration policies effected Haiti, Venezuela, and poorer countries. All you did was claim that in your opinion they were justified.
As to renaming military bases Trump said "my Administration will not even consider the renaming of these Magnificent and Fabled Military Installations." How is that NOT a policy statement?
Just because he supports voter IDs you cannot make the correlation he's done it to suppress any legal voter. He does it to prevent non-qualified folks from voting.
Again he has no policy in place against renaming Military bases.
As I asked: Didn't you feel silly typing those examples?
RE: Cuomo admits he's lost total control of NYC - bfine32 - 09-08-2020
(09-08-2020, 07:40 PM)fredtoast Wrote: But the Trump administration is making more and more of them illegal.
Many people who have been working here and paying taxes for years under "green card" status are now having their application for yearly renewal denied which leads to deportation.
because they are not here legally. Be mad at that if you want, but it does nothing to back your asserting.
RE: Cuomo admits he's lost total control of NYC - bfine32 - 09-08-2020
(09-08-2020, 09:37 PM)CarolinaBengalFanGuy Wrote: Tell me more about Voter ID laws.
They are similar to folks requiring ID to cash your check. It's designed to suppress minorities from cashing their checks.
RE: Cuomo admits he's lost total control of NYC - CarolinaBengalFanGuy - 09-09-2020
(09-08-2020, 10:00 PM)bfine32 Wrote: They are similar to folks requiring ID to cash your check. It's designed to suppress minorities from cashing their checks.
Why don’t minorities have ID’s?
RE: Cuomo admits he's lost total control of NYC - bfine32 - 09-09-2020
(09-09-2020, 01:34 AM)CarolinaBengalFanGuy Wrote: Why don’t minorities have ID’s?
Because Trump has a policy against it.
RE: Cuomo admits he's lost total control of NYC - CarolinaBengalFanGuy - 09-09-2020
(09-09-2020, 01:43 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Because Trump has a policy against it.
Well in South Carolina you can use. Drivers License, a SC DMV ID card, a concealed firearm permit, a voter registration card with a photo (you have to register to vote anyways anyone at the very least should just get this if they have no photo ID), a passport, or a military ID.
A lot of options to have a valid ID to vote. If you’re taking time to get registered you can take time to get an ID
RE: Cuomo admits he's lost total control of NYC - GMDino - 09-09-2020
(09-09-2020, 02:02 AM)CarolinaBengalFanGuy Wrote: Well in South Carolina you can use. Drivers License, a SC DMV ID card, a concealed firearm permit, a voter registration card with a photo (you have to register to vote anyways anyone at the very least should just get this if they have no photo ID), a passport, or a military ID.
A lot of options to have a valid ID to vote. If you’re taking time to get registered you can take time to get an ID
So a lot of it comes from that areas that are more populated with minorities don't have the easiest access to get ID's. Their locations tend to get shut down more often and the travel time is longer for them than they non-minority counterparts.
Add in the history of some state (read southern) trying to find ways to close polling locations, limit voting hours and early voting for those who can't get to a closer polling location and you'll see how it all targets the poor and minorities.
Which, in a fair country, wouldn't happen.
More:
https://www.npr.org/2018/10/23/659784277/republican-voter-suppression-efforts-are-targeting-minorities-journalist-says
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-restrictive-voting-requirements-target-minorities
https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet
RE: Cuomo admits he's lost total control of NYC - BmorePat87 - 09-09-2020
(09-09-2020, 02:02 AM)CarolinaBengalFanGuy Wrote: Well in South Carolina you can use. Drivers License, a SC DMV ID card, a concealed firearm permit, a voter registration card with a photo (you have to register to vote anyways anyone at the very least should just get this if they have no photo ID), a passport, or a military ID.
A lot of options to have a valid ID to vote. If you’re taking time to get registered you can take time to get an ID
Having all of those options at no cost is good. South Carolina does not charge for ID cards.
The issue is when state require a paid government ID to vote because that would be a poll tax.
But another issue is when it is clearly designed to be partisan, not to stop fraud. In Texas, their law from 2012 would allow hunting licenses but not student IDs. Obviously students are more likely to vote Democrat and have less access to obtaining a state ID. When PA was working on one in 2012, their state's house leader openly said at a party conference that it was designed to create GOP victories, expecting it to cause hardships in voting for groups who typically vote Democratic. In Alabama, GOP state legislators were caught on tape discussing how to prevent black people from voting, calling them "illiterate" and "aborigines". Their plan was to further support decreasing black voting by keeping a gambling referendum off the ballot because they believed black people would come out to vote to legalize gambling. One said positively that the 2011 law would make it harder for black people to vote, hurt black Democratic leaders, and end the "black power structure". There's also of course the story of them closing DMVs in predominantly black areas, which would impact access to IDs, but they quickly reversed course after criticism.
The reason why these laws tend to have broader political motives is that there's not enough voter fraud to warrant stricter access to voting. One study between 2000-2014 found that voter fraud potentially occurred in 0.00000312% of ballots casted, or 1 in every 32 million. That was roughly 27 in the 865m total ballots cast in that time period.
RE: Cuomo admits he's lost total control of NYC - fredtoast - 09-09-2020
(09-08-2020, 09:37 PM)CarolinaBengalFanGuy Wrote: Tell me more about Voter ID laws.
Republicans have admitted that they will help themwin elections by supressing the vote of the poor and minorities.
And their is no proof that they have any major impact on voter fraud because most of that is done at the registration level instead of at the polls. It is difficult to find a list of registered voters that people know will not vote so that they can go to the polls and vote for them.
RE: Cuomo admits he's lost total control of NYC - fredtoast - 09-09-2020
(09-08-2020, 09:58 PM)bfine32 Wrote: because they are not here legally. Be mad at that if you want, but it does nothing to back your asserting.
People with green cards are here legally.
RE: Cuomo admits he's lost total control of NYC - fredtoast - 09-09-2020
(09-08-2020, 10:00 PM)bfine32 Wrote: They are similar to folks requiring ID to cash your check. It's designed to suppress minorities from cashing their checks.
Actually it isn't because voters are required to reister before they can just show up at the polls and vote.
Voter ID laws are like your bank requiring ID before they would allow you to deposit your check into your own account.
RE: Cuomo admits he's lost total control of NYC - bfine32 - 09-09-2020
(09-09-2020, 11:12 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Actually it isn't because voters are required to reister before they can just show up at the polls and vote.
Voter ID laws are like your bank requiring ID before they would allow you to deposit your check into your own account.
What if I don't have a ID to open a bank account?
RE: Cuomo admits he's lost total control of NYC - fredtoast - 09-09-2020
(09-09-2020, 11:19 AM)bfine32 Wrote: What if I don't have a ID to open a bank account?
Then that will have a negative effect on your ability to cash a paycheck.
RE: Cuomo admits he's lost total control of NYC - bfine32 - 09-09-2020
(09-09-2020, 11:22 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Then that will have a negative effect on your ability to cash a paycheck.
So as I said: America has laws in place to suppress minorities from cashing checks.
RE: Cuomo admits he's lost total control of NYC - BmorePat87 - 09-09-2020
(09-09-2020, 11:12 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Actually it isn't because voters are required to reister before they can just show up at the polls and vote.
Voter ID laws are like your bank requiring ID before they would allow you to deposit your check into your own account.
Or simply voting isn't anything like banking or any other commercial example because one is a right and the other a service provided by a business.
Trying to enter the mire of dishonest defenses of voter suppression will only detract from that fundamental truth.
RE: Cuomo admits he's lost total control of NYC - Belsnickel - 09-09-2020
(09-09-2020, 12:12 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Or simply voting isn't anything like banking or any other commercial example because one is a right and the other a service provided by a business.
Trying to enter the mire of dishonest defenses of voter suppression will only detract from that fundamental truth.
It's almost as if bad faith arguments are a regular part of the discourse in this forum.
RE: Cuomo admits he's lost total control of NYC - BmorePat87 - 09-09-2020
(09-09-2020, 12:13 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: It's almost as if bad faith arguments are a regular part of the discourse in this forum.
That's why I have advised people to not engage with the peddlers of it.