(03-03-2023, 11:14 AM)bfine32 Wrote: This was brought up on Sirius and Pat Kirwan scoffed at it. The question he asked was "who assigned the grades?"

(03-03-2023, 11:14 AM)bfine32 Wrote: This was brought up on Sirius and Pat Kirwan scoffed at it. The question he asked was "who assigned the grades?"

(03-03-2023, 11:28 AM)Sled21 Wrote: The players from each team, and they only graded the teams they play for. I don't think "Who assigned the grades?" is an applicable argument. Meanwhile, in Cincinnati, the coaches are speaking to their #1 WR and asking him how he feels, and he says he thinks he needs another week. The response is, "Ok, Irwin, you're up" However the player feels is taken into consideration in health decisions with evidently zero pressure. 

(03-03-2023, 11:47 AM)TecmoBengals Wrote: I'll offer up disgruntled players who knew their release was impending.

(03-03-2023, 12:34 PM)bfine32 Wrote: As I understand it, the players merely answered a survey, they didn't assign a grade. PK's question was who assigned the grades. 

(03-04-2023, 03:32 PM)bjf123 Wrote: Maybe someone said this in a previous post here (haven’t read them all), but a couple of the items are probably not the responsibility of the team. Fixing the showers and toilets probably falls on the county. Same with charging stations in the lockers. Could the team easily fix these items? Sure, but I’d bet Mike Brown would never do it if the lease could be interpreted in my way that the county is responsible.


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Quote:Simply maintaining the stadium — keeping the lights on with utilities, for example, an insurance policy and a county-employed team of 25 that is responsible for plumbing, electricity, groundskeeping as well as around-the-clock security — costs the county roughly $7.5 million every year. A part of that cost also includes an administrative office that manages both the baseball field and the football stadium.

(03-04-2023, 04:28 PM)George Cantstandya Wrote: Now the sad thing is no matter who is responsible I don't think it requires a lot to make sure things like showers and toilets are working.  If it is indeed the county's responsibility then the Bengals organization should maybe be more proactive in pushing the county to correct those problems. So it is a question of, for example, shitter doesn't work and no one from the Bengals calling up the county and saying, "Hey shitters number 2 and 8 are not working you need to come fix it," or is it the Bengals notified the county and they blew it off? 

(03-03-2023, 12:37 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I doubt the survey was skewed; the question arose about who decides if a number of players answer "The Hot Tub could be bigger". Who says that's an F. 

I'd assert it's no different than any "Climate Survey" done for any business. No grades, just answer data collected. 

(03-04-2023, 08:00 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: Some questions required the players give a ranking of 1-5, while other questions asked what they would change, improve, etc. 

They state that it's 'not a scientific survey', that's it's a 'summary of players opinions' and that it's 'inherently subjective'.

I think the issue is that they there's no way of knowing who responded or what they said. For example, what were the opinions of the free agents who have signed over the last couple of years compared to guys on the practice squad? How many total players replied? We have no way of knowing. Just a lot of unknowns, so it's hard to know how seriously to take this survey. 

(03-04-2023, 08:00 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: Some questions required the players give a ranking of 1-5, while other questions asked what they would change, improve, etc. 

They state that it's 'not a scientific survey', that's it's a 'summary of players opinions' and that it's 'inherently subjective'.

I think the issue is that they there's no way of knowing who responded or what they said. For example, what were the opinions of the free agents who have signed over the last couple of years compared to guys on the practice squad? How many total players replied? We have no way of knowing. Just a lot of unknowns, so it's hard to know how seriously to take this survey. 

(03-05-2023, 12:12 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: They said about 1,300 players.

(03-04-2023, 08:00 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: Some questions required the players give a ranking of 1-5, while other questions asked what they would change, improve, etc. 

They state that it's 'not a scientific survey', that's it's a 'summary of players opinions' and that it's 'inherently subjective'.

I think the issue is that they there's no way of knowing who responded or what they said. For example, what were the opinions of the free agents who have signed over the last couple of years compared to guys on the practice squad? How many total players replied? We have no way of knowing. Just a lot of unknowns, so it's hard to know how seriously to take this survey. 

(03-05-2023, 05:23 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Actually 75% of the players responded not agents. It was a very well done survey. Based on the teams I’m familiar with it was pretty much on target.

(03-04-2023, 04:28 PM)George Cantstandya Wrote: Yep from what I understand the county is responsible for upkeep for things like plumbing.  For example here is a quote from a 2016 article:

https://www.wcpo.com/news/insider/county-has-spent-920m-in-deal-to-build-stadium-keep-nfl-team-in-town-since-2000



Now the sad thing is no matter who is responsible I don't think it requires a lot to make sure things like showers and toilets are working.  If it is indeed the county's responsibility then the Bengals organization should maybe be more proactive in pushing the county to correct those problems. So it is a question of, for example, shitter doesn't work and no one from the Bengals calling up the county and saying, "Hey shitters number 2 and 8 are not working you need to come fix it," or is it the Bengals notified the county and they blew it off? 

Quote:Thanks to a few walls coming down and expanding into some storage space, the players' lounge with its massage chairs and compression units becomes part of the recovery ward with an expanded hydrotherapy room. Hydrotherapy was cutting edge when Sparling helped open the building in 2000. Now plans call for new and bigger hot and cold tubs, a cryo (cold) chamber, a hyperbaric (oxygen) chamber, float beds and red-light beds.

(03-07-2023, 10:22 AM)Sled21 Wrote: You never worked for the government, did you?

(03-07-2023, 12:49 PM)George Cantstandya Wrote: I worked for the largest government agency for several years.  I'm aware of how things go.  I actually had a follow up post in this thread discussing similar issues as you brought up but removed it because I felt it might send the thread towards a P&R discussion which I try to avoid.  As Synric mentioned we also don't know all the details and what it would take to correct those issues during the season.  Heck we don't even know what the issues were exactly.  It could be the player(s) making the complaint felt the toilets didn't flush with enough power and the temperature of the showers was not to their liking.  Maybe one of them regularly clogged the toilet and wanted to put the blame on the facilities instead of their diet.