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RE: Christian Terrorists Kill American Civilians and Shoot Police - michaelsean - 11-29-2015 (11-29-2015, 01:24 AM)GMDino Wrote: To be fair it may not have been his first thought. And not one word of sympathy for the victims. One gets a sense there was more interest in trying to score points than there was in the victims. And who doesn't recognize there are nut jobs killing people in rampages here? RE: Christian Terrorists Kill American Civilians and Shoot Police - bfine32 - 11-29-2015 (11-29-2015, 01:22 AM)GMDino Wrote: So when someone goes into a PP and shoots up the place its not terrorism....its not meant to cause terror? None of this has to do with the idiotic statement that it is terrorism regardless of the motive. Actually you have tried to show motive in this post to explain why it was terrorism. RE: Christian Terrorists Kill American Civilians and Shoot Police - Nately120 - 11-29-2015 (11-29-2015, 12:45 AM)bfine32 Wrote: The take is not "interesting"; the take is motive determines if it is terrorism or not. Pretty much everybody but you and Nately understand this simple fact. Motive, eh? Maybe we should waterboard him until he confesses to all kinds of crazy stuff like we do with other terrorists. RE: Christian Terrorists Kill American Civilians and Shoot Police - bfine32 - 11-29-2015 (11-29-2015, 02:26 AM)Nately120 Wrote: Motive, eh? Maybe we should waterboard him until he confesses to all kinds of crazy stuff like we do with other terrorists. It is profound that you continue to post, because others look at your posts and say "Is that me?" Then they have to look into the mirror and answer the question. I have no idea when Americans started hating America, but it has happen and many take pride in it. The OP is something that is shameful and it is crazy the support it is getting. RE: Christian Terrorists Kill American Civilians and Shoot Police - Nately120 - 11-29-2015 (11-29-2015, 03:12 AM)bfine32 Wrote: It is profound that you continue to post, because others look at your posts and say "Is that me?" Then they have to look into the mirror and answer the question. I don't suppose that "Americans hating America" includes Americans who hate American policy and laws so much that they kill people in order to scare people away from exercising said freedoms, does it? RE: Christian Terrorists Kill American Civilians and Shoot Police - GMDino - 11-29-2015 (11-29-2015, 01:36 AM)bfine32 Wrote: None of this has to do with the idiotic statement that it is terrorism regardless of the motive. Actually you have tried to show motive in this post to explain why it was terrorism. Has Lucy been giving you tips on how to be wrong and defend it? https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/terrorism/terrorism-definition Quote:Definitions of Terrorism in the U.S. Code I don't see where it is defined solely by "motive". Solid post though. RE: Christian Terrorists Kill American Civilians and Shoot Police - BmorePat87 - 11-29-2015 (11-29-2015, 10:56 AM)GMDino Wrote: Has Lucy been giving you tips on how to be wrong and defend it? By the definition of "motive", trying to coerce or intimidate civilians is a motive. Now, it seems like you were trying to say that the very fact that this man was trying to cause fear in people (intimidate), regardless of his motive (using motive strictly as whatever the outcome of their coercion is... i.e. "end planned parenthood funding), means that this is terrorism. In this sense, you are right. However, if we are just using the broad definition of motive, bfine is also right. If I killed someone just to kill them, it is not terrorism. I need a motive, which may just be the fact that I am trying to coerce or intimidate. Granted, I didn't read through the whole exchange, but if someone stated "we need to know why they were trying to intimidate them so that we know if it was terrorism", then I would suggest that this person was incorrect. RE: Christian Terrorists Kill American Civilians and Shoot Police - GMDino - 11-29-2015 (11-29-2015, 12:43 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: By the definition of "motive", trying to coerce or intimidate civilians is a motive. Now, it seems like you were trying to say that the very fact that this man was trying to cause fear in people (intimidate), regardless of his motive (using motive strictly as whatever the outcome of their coercion is... i.e. "end planned parenthood funding), means that this is terrorism. That's why I used the FBI definition. That and we all know Larry is just trying to push the conversation in a way that he could be "right". RE: Christian Terrorists Kill American Civilians and Shoot Police - bfine32 - 11-29-2015 (11-29-2015, 10:56 AM)GMDino Wrote: Has Lucy been giving you tips on how to be wrong and defend it? I will give you an A for effort; unfortunately, you receive an F for content. Go back and read Post #16 and tell me if that situation was an act of Domestic Terror. And then explain why you say it is or is not (no meme, no feeble attempt at imitation, no cut and paste, just your own thought process). The shooter's name is Marquinta E. Jacobs if you need to do additional research. This is my last post on this petty back and forth with you on this subject, as I feel it is trivializing the tragedy of the event. You can rest assured that you can answer the question about Post 16 as asked without retort. RE: Christian Terrorists Kill American Civilians and Shoot Police - GMDino - 11-29-2015 (11-29-2015, 01:12 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I will give you an A for effort; unfortunately, you receive an F for content. Go back and read Post #16 and tell me if that situation was an act of Domestic Terror. And then explain why you say it is or is not (no meme, no feeble attempt at imitation, no cut and paste, just your own thought process). The shooter's name is Marquinta E. Jacobs if you need to do additional research. Before I go off and do a bunch of research on something allow me one more thought: Really struck a nerve in this thread, eh? The man who shot up the PP committed an act of domestic terrorism as defined by the FBI. Why you want to argue it is beyond me. This "petty back and forth" is you trying to say this was just a random violent act. A crime. But NOT terrorism for some reason. Oh, and solid post with lots of facts. Thanks for participating. I'll await my notification that I was "anonymously" reported for...something. EDIT: I looked at your post #16. Not terrorism. Now look at post #1. Terrorism. Thanks! RE: Christian Terrorists Kill American Civilians and Shoot Police - Rotobeast - 11-29-2015 (11-29-2015, 03:23 PM)GMDino Wrote: I'll await my notificationon that I was "anonymously" reported for...something. Is that Cajun ? ![]() Sorry, I'm not really into grammar/spelling smack. RE: Christian Terrorists Kill American Civilians and Shoot Police - GMDino - 11-29-2015 (11-29-2015, 04:02 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: Is that Cajun ? Ha! No my "phone" auto-corrects it that way. ![]() RE: Christian Terrorists Kill American Civilians and Shoot Police - michaelsean - 11-29-2015 (11-29-2015, 04:58 PM)GMDino Wrote: Ha! You have a stupid phone RE: Christian Terrorists Kill American Civilians and Shoot Police - bfine32 - 11-29-2015 The part that is getting lost in this thread: http://news.yahoo.com/colorado-shooting-suspect-said-no-more-baby-parts-011209476.html Quote:TWO CIVILIAN CASUALTIES RE: Christian Terrorists Kill American Civilians and Shoot Police - Belsnickel - 11-29-2015 (11-29-2015, 09:16 PM)bfine32 Wrote: The part that is getting lost in this thread: I heard that the third was a 29 year old Iraq War vet. Such a sad, senseless act. RE: Christian Terrorists Kill American Civilians and Shoot Police - GMDino - 11-29-2015 (11-29-2015, 09:16 PM)bfine32 Wrote: The part that is getting lost in this thread: Not one person has said its not a sad, horrible thing that people got killed in a terrorist attack. Its just that some (you) won't admit it was terrorism so you want to make it about something other than that and will focus on the victims THIS time. Its sad. Just admit you are wrong and move along. We all mourn the dead. This isn't about that in this thread. RE: Christian Terrorists Kill American Civilians and Shoot Police - bfine32 - 11-29-2015 (11-29-2015, 10:38 PM)GMDino Wrote: Not one person has said its not a sad, horrible thing that people got killed in a terrorist attack. The truly sad thing is that you would reply to a post sharing information about the victims in such a manner. Where have I denied it's an act of terrorism? I have said we should wait before we stereotype the shooter as a Christian radical (early reports indicate he had no religious ties) and that motive is necessary to determine whether or not it is an act of terrorism. There was someone in here (I should add it to my sig) that ridiculously said "Its domestic terrorism...not matter what the motive was." But if it will help you to stop trying to defend this ridiculous statement: "I was wrong"; not sure about what, but "I was wrong". What is this thread about, if it is not a forum where we can mourn the dead? RE: Christian Terrorists Kill American Civilians and Shoot Police - bfine32 - 11-29-2015 (11-29-2015, 09:33 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I heard that the third was a 29 year old Iraq War vet. Such a sad, senseless act. Truly sad, but I have just been informed that this thread is not about that. RE: Christian Terrorists Kill American Civilians and Shoot Police - GMDino - 11-30-2015 (11-29-2015, 11:36 PM)bfine32 Wrote: The truly sad thing is that you would reply to a post sharing information about the victims in such a manner. You spent most of your posts arguing about what "terrorism" is! Pull you big girl panties up and take your crocodile tears and make a thread about the victims of violence and how you think they don't get enough respect. And stop playing the martyr when you get caught and get it handed to you. Thanks! Have a great day! Troll. RE: Christian Terrorists Kill American Civilians and Shoot Police - GMDino - 11-30-2015 So it is a very slow day here (first day of hunting in PA) and I had time to go back an reread this thread to see if perhaps it had gone off-course somehow. Just to recap. This thread was never about the victims. Clearly no one wants to diminish the innocent lives lost to a terrorist. The thread, this board usually, is to discuss the political and social implications of such attacks and events. While there is often something said about the real world lives lost the vast majority of the posts here are not about that. There is nothing wrong with such posts about the people involved...nothing at all. And perhaps we should be MORE concerned about them than what to "think" about each event. However this thread was presented as a rebuttal to the multitude of recent posts about the refugees that should be banned due to "violence" they "might" bring with them. Specifically, however, some wanted to change the tone of the thread to fit their political/social agenda and then claim the OP (and others) had no heart because the thread wasn't about what they now want it to be. (11-27-2015, 08:38 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Terrible situation. Where did it say the shooter was Christian? (11-27-2015, 08:49 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Why would I bet on something I have no idea about or influence on? I think I'll just wait and see before jumping to conclusions. (11-27-2015, 09:24 PM)bfine32 Wrote: That moment when folks look silly when they realize being white doesn't automatically make you Christian. (11-27-2015, 10:39 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Sure I will. (11-27-2015, 11:09 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Unlike you and the OP I do not know the religious affiliation, if any, of the man responsible for this shooting. I was merely commenting on the ignorance of a couple guys assuming the shooter was a Christian because he was a WHITE MALE. (11-27-2015, 11:33 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Because there are those that must try to compare domestic crimes to international terrorism and Jihad. I have no idea why they try so hard, but apparently it means a lot to them. It took until this post to mention the victims. (11-28-2015, 02:12 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Now research the word international. (11-28-2015, 02:37 AM)bfine32 Wrote: I suppose the obvious point that is missed is that we do not yet know the motivation of the shooter. (11-28-2015, 08:59 PM)bfine32 Wrote: uuuhhmmmm......The motive pretty much determines if it is terrorism or not; domestic or otherwise. (11-29-2015, 12:45 AM)bfine32 Wrote: The take is not "interesting"; the take is motive determines if it is terrorism or not. Pretty much everybody but you and Nately understand this simple fact. (11-29-2015, 01:36 AM)bfine32 Wrote: None of this has to do with the idiotic statement that it is terrorism regardless of the motive. Actually you have tried to show motive in this post to explain why it was terrorism. (11-29-2015, 03:12 AM)bfine32 Wrote: It is profound that you continue to post, because others look at your posts and say "Is that me?" Then they have to look into the mirror and answer the question. (11-29-2015, 01:12 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I will give you an A for effort; unfortunately, you receive an F for content. Go back and read Post #16 and tell me if that situation was an act of Domestic Terror. And then explain why you say it is or is not (no meme, no feeble attempt at imitation, no cut and paste, just your own thought process). The shooter's name is Marquinta E. Jacobs if you need to do additional research. And after being shown how wrong he was...we go back to the victims. (11-29-2015, 09:16 PM)bfine32 Wrote: The part that is getting lost in this thread: And after being called out, again: (11-29-2015, 10:38 PM)GMDino Wrote: Not one person has said its not a sad, horrible thing that people got killed in a terrorist attack. We play the martyr card: (11-29-2015, 11:36 PM)bfine32 Wrote: The truly sad thing is that you would reply to a post sharing information about the victims in such a manner. (11-29-2015, 11:37 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Truly sad, but I have just been informed that this thread is not about that. Just wanted to get all that in before the posts disappear (again) or it is claimed "no one cares about the victims" (again). ![]() |