(03-23-2023, 11:24 AM)Frank Booth Wrote: Plug and playing a rookie tight end isn’t ideal

(03-23-2023, 11:25 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: This sounds like a bad plan for a team that's currently in a Super Bowl window. 

Sample missed most of the year last year with an injured knee/surgery and to be honest, doesn't give you really anything in the passing game. Relying on a rookie tight end to produce is a huge question mark. 

I don't understand why it's so hard for this team to sign a veteran tight end to a reasonable 1 or 2 year deal. Those kinds of deals are being made by other teams - they are there for the taking. I am not sure if this FO is asleep at the wheel or has some master plan but they need to act quick because the amount of quality TEs out there is dwindling fast. 

(03-23-2023, 10:24 AM)casear2727 Wrote: Wright over Jones all day.  It appears he will defitniely be going higher and he played against the very best every season.

Jones refusing to test is not a good thing at all, especially for us.

(03-22-2023, 10:29 PM)OSUfan Wrote: I believe they will look to bring back Wilcox and I would not be shocked to see Sample back either. Even with this news I still do not believe there is true value in a first round TE for this offense. The most targets a TE has had under this staff was 68 last season with Hurst when we were seeing predominantly two high safeties. The TE in this scheme has average under 4.25 targets a game and I do not see how you put value in that with a first round selection.

(03-23-2023, 12:16 AM)coachmcneil71 Wrote: He's been being mocked in the top 20 in two recent mocks that I've read. Can't remember the team but he might not make it to the late 20s.

(03-23-2023, 01:29 PM)BengalsBong Wrote: I watched Wright get bull rushed two or three plays at 328 pounds if you cannot anchor at that weight, it's a problem that I do not trust our O-line coach to fix.

(03-23-2023, 01:39 PM)Memphis_Bengal Wrote: Is there ANY OT that's never been bull rushed? He's 333 pounds, has elite athleticism for the position and allowed zero sacks playing one of the toughest schedules in the nation including Will Anderson from Alabama whom he shut down and then Anderson said he was the best OT he's faced. 

In 2022 as a senior Wright saw action in 12 games and played a total of 829 snaps for the Volunteers. He allowed a solid 5 QB hurries, 2 QB hits, and no sacks while playing at right tackle.

(03-23-2023, 01:42 PM)BengalsBong Wrote: I guess I cannot have an opinion on who I would like better. Both are going to be gone by mid second round but I am wrong cause you are right lol laughable.

(03-23-2023, 01:29 PM)BengalsBong Wrote: I watched Wright get bull rushed two or three plays at 328 pounds if you cannot anchor at that weight, it's a problem that I do not trust our O-line coach to fix.

(03-23-2023, 01:31 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Well, if we get a TE that Burrow likes to target instead of being the last option the targets and YPC for the TE would most definitely go 
up drastically. I still want Darnell Wright, DaWand Jones and Bergeron but if Mayer is there or we really think we can grow Washington
in the passing game it is possible we use a TE much more. I know people will mention Drew Sample being a 2nd round pick, but he was
overdrafted and it was a late round pick and he was drafted to block. We are a passing Offense now, much more so then back then.


Okay, well that takes him out of our thoughts then, been seeing Mayer taken by us in a lot of mocks lately.

I have to be open to the possibility now.

(03-23-2023, 01:39 PM)Memphis_Bengal Wrote: Is there ANY OT that's never been bull rushed? He's 333 pounds, has elite athleticism for the position and allowed zero sacks playing one of the toughest schedules in the nation including Will Anderson from Alabama whom he shut down and then Anderson said he was the best OT he's faced. 

In 2022 as a senior Wright saw action in 12 games and played a total of 829 snaps for the Volunteers. He allowed a solid 5 QB hurries, 2 QB hits, and no sacks while playing at right tackle.

(03-23-2023, 01:42 PM)BengalsBong Wrote: I guess I cannot have an opinion on who I would like better. Both are going to be gone by mid second round but I am wrong cause you are right lol laughable.

(03-23-2023, 01:45 PM)higgy100 Wrote: Answer his simple question about ANY OT that's never been bull rushed before you toss a tantrum.

(03-23-2023, 01:49 PM)OSUfan Wrote: I completely understand what you are saying Nate but you have to consider the scheme as well. Primarily the Cincinnati TE is a blocker and after that a safety valve, and then there are situational routes where the TE is used to exploit the seams or to settle down into the open area of a zone. I think Joe liked targeting both Hurst and Uzomah however the scheme limits the route tree for the TE.

(03-23-2023, 11:24 AM)Frank Booth Wrote: Plug and playing a rookie tight end isn’t ideal

(03-23-2023, 01:50 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: This, plus Wright played against top competition at RT. He just fits what we need to a T.


Well I mean, doesn't matter how big or strong an OL is if they are caught off guard on a certain play which is what I assume happened
when he did get bullrushed a few times. When Darnell Wright is ready and prepared pre snap, he dominates everybody. DaWand Jones 
fits us to a point, big dude, tough to get around and fits a Gap scheme which I assume we will run with Orlando's addition.

Bergeron is a mean, nasty sumbitch in the run game too who I really like. Not as big on Anton Harrison as I think he is more for a RPO
type of Offense and being a LT which we now have. Harrison is a bit finesse for my liking even if he is really good.

(03-23-2023, 12:45 PM)Synric Wrote: I hate the argument against drafting a Tight End because the production has been mediocre from that position group. The main reason there has been average production is because they have had average Tight Ends.

(03-23-2023, 01:45 PM)OSUfan Wrote: Not sure what film you were watching but I watched Alabama and Georgia and those were the games that won me over about selecting Wright. Even with less than elite technique all of the time his pure strength can save him. Yep, every once in awhile even the best will get beat one way or another but that does not diminish their overall talent.

(03-23-2023, 01:42 PM)BengalsBong Wrote: I guess I cannot have an opinion on who I would like better. Both are going to be gone by mid second round but I am wrong cause you are Wright lol laughable.

(03-23-2023, 12:47 PM)phil413 Wrote: It's good to note that there are many stable TE3 types that can at least help block if pressed for TE2 work for a few games.  I also agree that ideal TE1 guys are not available via FA.  

They need to take advantage of what is available.  It's been said that Irv Smith Jr. could bet on himself as a showcase TE. He would see the writing on the wall that Cincy could go TE as early as the 1st, but he still has a(n injury prone) leg up as a vet.  They could still double dip at TE, with Asiasi being TE4.  

That opens the door to another convo.  If they end up with more move type TEs or big slot types, at what point do you finally consider snaps outside for Boyd?  I get that his bread and butter is in the spot, but rather than be so loyal to ST types mailing it in outside, you have better talent inside including the slot type guys behind Boyd.  Even if they draft a WR, the learning curve can be higher. So, TE looks bare at the moment but we could actually still stack enough NFL ready talent to make it a strength.  Even if Burrow likes 4 wide sets, a few of those wides could be spit out TEs. 

(03-23-2023, 01:57 PM)Memphis_Bengal Wrote: fyp haha. I just offered a counter to your point. That's the way reasonable discourse works. 

(03-23-2023, 10:45 AM)Graphicguy Wrote: Yeah…but with a better TE, the targets would probably go up.


Like this plan, a lot.

I think with the “non-movement” on Mixon, they’re looking to the draft.  That is, unless he agrees to a pay cut.  There are just too many good RBs in this draft.  True of TE’s, too.

(03-23-2023, 01:56 PM)higgy100 Wrote: Only thing worrying me about Jones is that weight ballooning to 400 lbs along with knees going to hell. He lost lbs. at OSU and then at the combine he was in the 370 range.

(03-23-2023, 01:58 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Not many agree with me, but I think upgrading our WR depth is important. I firmly believe we win the Chief's game if Boyd does not get hurt. After that, they swarmed Chase & Higgins and no one else could consistently get open. 

Now, adding a legit 4th weapon on offense does not necessarily have to be a WR. An early TE (Mayer, Kincaid, etc) fills that role. As would Bijan Robinson. If JSN or Flowers is there at #28, I'd strongly consider it. But I think it unlikely. 

Even if we go TE early, I'd still like a day 3 WR. Whether it is a slot/Taylor upgrade (Charlie Jones, Parker Washington), a good blocker who can actually get open/Morgan upgrade (Ronnie Bell) or some deep speed in any form outside of Chase (Mingo, Iosivas, Ford-Wheaton).