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RE: The GOP really loves their women - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 01-09-2017 (01-08-2017, 11:52 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: When these discussions have come up before, we've had studiee brought in that show increased access to contraceptives reduces unintended pregnancies. That's something that can be found in many studies. So it would stand to reason that reduced access would increase the rate of unintended pregnancies. Woukd it not? Yes. RE: The GOP really loves their women - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 01-09-2017 (01-08-2017, 07:09 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I'm not bitching about anything; as I'm OK with what the article in the OP suggests. Perhaps (and I'm just spitballing here) those that are not are the ones bitching. And who ever heard of his body, his choice RE: The GOP really loves their women - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 01-09-2017 (01-08-2017, 07:11 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I haven't even brought up unintended pregnancies; Now let me tell you how this conversation is eventually going to end. You will leave by feigning taking the high road because you don't have a logical counter argument. Or you will use your patented, "I guess that made sense in your head." RE: The GOP really loves their women - hollodero - 01-09-2017 (01-08-2017, 05:54 PM)bfine32 Wrote: So you're an advocate of the government knows what is best for you principle. You're putting more into it than there is. First off, the state doesn't make a choice or a decision for anyone here. It provides help and, as I said, a responsibility enablement tool, that's all. I do not think "free stuff" is, per se, evil and leads to dependence. Could be, but not in this case. The other thing is, it's not how government regards women. It's more about society and what's best for it. Teen pregnancies are not "good" for a society, and especially young people could use some information and also, yes, some support - for me that's really all there is to it. PP helps with that. Whatever else you see in that, I do not. Finally, a part of me just doesn't believe you. You want PP gone because of conservatice standpoints, say because of abortions. And not because you're a fighter of individual responsibility or of women's independence (for that's something you would willingly want to deny women who want to terminate pregnancy). And fair enough, but I'd say don't pretend. RE: The GOP really loves their women - GMDino - 01-09-2017 (01-09-2017, 04:12 AM)hollodero Wrote: You're putting more into it than there is. First off, the state doesn't make a choice or a decision for anyone here. It provides help and, as I said, a responsibility enablement tool, that's all. That's the main idea that seems to be getting twisted. Government is not saying they know what is best for you. They are providing a resource for people who think that is best for them. Period. Without that resource some people will not follow through with that best choice. But hey, god and babies and stuff so the heck with people. RE: The GOP really loves their women - Benton - 01-09-2017 (01-09-2017, 04:12 AM)hollodero Wrote: I do not think "free stuff" is, per se, evil and leads to dependence. Could be, but not in this case. I don't know if it's always been, or if it's just a recent thing, but one of the issues America struggles with is the importance of "my free stuff" versus "your free stuff." Much of the "free" stuff people agree on (at least to a degree). Most people want some kind of military, police, roads, basic education, fire protection. But there's a lot of other ones people can't agree on. Free or reduced college? Healthcare? Using the military as a global distribution network? Birth control? Race horses? Some people think nothing of giving tax money to operate a theme park, but some get up in arms over giving condoms to teenagers. RE: The GOP really loves their women - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 01-09-2017 (01-09-2017, 11:38 AM)Benton Wrote: I don't know if it's always been, or if it's just a recent thing, but one of the issues America struggles with is the importance of "my free stuff" versus "your free stuff." It's okay to give billionaires hundreds of millions in tax payer dollars to build them stadiums which will be used 10 times in the fall. Personal responsibility and all. RE: The GOP really loves their women - Belsnickel - 01-09-2017 (01-09-2017, 11:38 AM)Benton Wrote: I don't know if it's always been, or if it's just a recent thing, but one of the issues America struggles with is the importance of "my free stuff" versus "your free stuff." The issue, at least to me, is that most people don't really understand how it all works. Government can be as transparent as we like, but people just don't understand how money flows from their pockets into the pockets of others in the various ways. They don't understand the bureaucracy, which is understandable for the most part, but there is a lack of basic knowledge of public administration and policies that leads people to not have a realistic understanding of where their tax money actually goes. RE: The GOP really loves their women - Rotobeast - 01-09-2017 (01-09-2017, 11:38 AM)Benton Wrote: I don't know if it's always been, or if it's just a recent thing, but one of the issues America struggles with is the importance of "my free stuff" versus "your free stuff."Taxation is theft. RE: The GOP really loves their women - BmorePat87 - 01-09-2017 (01-08-2017, 11:52 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: When these discussions have come up before, we've had studiee brought in that show increased access to contraceptives reduces unintended pregnancies. That's something that can be found in many studies. So it would stand to reason that reduced access would increase the rate of unintended pregnancies. Woukd it not? These debates have been rehashed over a dozen times. It gets to the point where there's no longer any point in providing the same study that has been provided before if the person receiving the information does not wish to accept it. At this point, it's accepted as fact, despite the disagreeing party plugging their ears and closing their eyes. Repeated feigned ignorance is a trait of someone being a troll. RE: The GOP really loves their women - bfine32 - 01-09-2017 (01-09-2017, 04:12 AM)hollodero Wrote: You're putting more into it than there is. First off, the state doesn't make a choice or a decision for anyone here. It provides help and, as I said, a responsibility enablement tool, that's all. Obviously I am in the minority in this forum, but I just have a issue with enabling folks to do as they please, instead of putting the onus on them to be responsible for their own actions. I have no issue with Planned Parenthood; however, I'm not against it being totally privately funded or the funds directed toward education; but assume what you will. RE: The GOP really loves their women - bfine32 - 01-09-2017 (01-09-2017, 12:33 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: The issue, at least to me, is that most people don't really understand how it all works. Government can be as transparent as we like, but people just don't understand how money flows from their pockets into the pockets of others in the various ways. They don't understand the bureaucracy, which is understandable for the most part, but there is a lack of basic knowledge of public administration and policies that leads people to not have a realistic understanding of where their tax money actually goes. The issue, at least to me, is that folks take exception when their dollars are used to fund things they don't agree with. Whether is be publically funded condoms, research on the survival rate of the spotted gooseneck squirrel, money spent on bridges to nowhere. military planes that will never fly, ect.... Each person is entitled to speak against the program they are not in favor of. However, I took exception with the theme of this "GOP hates women" thread. I understand this is just imflamitory jargon that the liberal uses; however, i felt it deserved a counter. RE: The GOP really loves their women - Griever - 01-09-2017 (01-09-2017, 02:11 PM)bfine32 Wrote: The issue, at least to me, is that folks take exception when their dollars are used to fund things they don't agree with. Whether is be publically funded condoms, research on the survival rate of the spotted gooseneck squirrel, money spent on bridges to nowhere. military planes that will never fly, ect.... but its clear that they do, when no federal funding goes to abortions (what republicans attack PP on all the time) and want to defund it when all the funds they are getting are going to other things that actually help women out congrats if you feel differently and dont hate women, but the majority of your base does if they actually go through with this RE: The GOP really loves their women - Griever - 01-09-2017 (01-09-2017, 02:02 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Obviously I am in the minority in this forum, but I just have a issue with enabling folks to do as they please, instead of putting the onus on them to be responsible for their own actions. should we get rid of alcohol, because some people choose to drink and drive? RE: The GOP really loves their women - hollodero - 01-09-2017 (01-09-2017, 02:02 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Obviously I am in the minority in this forum, but I just have a issue with enabling folks to do as they please, instead of putting the onus on them to be responsible for their own actions. I will. Of course in the end I don't really know. It's just... your way of argueing seems so forged - as if it were a disguise, a cloak of assumed rationality, so to speak. As for rationality. I really fail to see the connection between free birth control and "enabling folk to do as they please". To do what? I also really fail to see the connection between free birth control and the "onus to be responsible for their own actions". What actions? Is the answer to both questions simply pipelaying? Birth control might be free, but people still would have to choose to use it. Would it show more responsibility if they had to actually pay for it too? In short, fine ok people obviously have sex and all, but at least they shouldn't have it for free without the chance of an offspring stemming from the act... that's what you seem to be getting at. And that to me sounds like someone who thinks sex should always be performed under the aspect of procreation. And if it isn't, at least it should cost people then. Like some kind of indulgence. It sounds - religious, disguised as worldly concerns. Plus you brought up outlawing abortion. Hence the assumption. RE: The GOP really loves their women - Griever - 01-09-2017 (01-09-2017, 02:38 PM)hollodero Wrote: I will. hes the type of republican that preaches small government, but then wants the government to overstep its boundaries about defund places like this RE: The GOP really loves their women - bfine32 - 01-09-2017 (01-09-2017, 02:29 PM)Griever Wrote: but its clear that they do, when no federal funding goes to abortions (what republicans attack PP on all the time) and want to defund it when all the funds they are getting are going to other things that actually help women out First of all, you, nor anyone in this forum knows how much federal funding goes into providing abortions. In addition to rape, incest, and life of the mother that allows for Federal Funding 17 states have laws that allow it for "medically necessary" abortions, Secondly, I have heard of no cuts to medicaid, so no one is denying anyone medical treatment. The whole hating women thing is just a ploy to get the libs fired up. Finally, maybe they just hate California, as over half the $500 million the governemnt gives to PP is spent there. RE: The GOP really loves their women - bfine32 - 01-09-2017 (01-09-2017, 02:30 PM)Griever Wrote: should we get rid of alcohol, because some people choose to drink and drive? No. Matter fact we should probably create a new tax to pay Uber for those that drink and don't want to pay for one. RE: The GOP really loves their women - bfine32 - 01-09-2017 (01-09-2017, 02:43 PM)Griever Wrote: hes the type of republican that preaches small government, but then wants the government to overstep its boundaries about defund places like this So government oversteps it bounds when it decides what to do with its funds? Just when I thought I was starting to figure the liberal mind out; I get thrown a curve. RE: The GOP really loves their women - Belsnickel - 01-09-2017 (01-09-2017, 03:00 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Secondly, I have heard of no cuts to medicaid, so no one is denying anyone medical treatment. The whole hating women thing is just a ploy to get the libs fired up. Medicaid is not the only way funding goes to PP. But, in some areas, Medicaid or not, PP is the only available place for a women to get reproductive health care without private insurance. My area is one of those areas, and PP is an hour away. Without children, you aren't going to get Medicaid in Virginia, anyway, and the free clinic (which has very limited gynecological services) has such a low max-income threshold that there are many people unable to go there that can't afford insurance. As a result, there are many women in this area that rely on PP for their reproductive health care. By cutting funding to PP, the closest clinic will likely close or they won't be able to provide as many services at the reduced prices these women deal with. I can tell you that, without any doubt, cutting federal funding to Planned Parenthood will deny thousands of women access to reproductive health care. |