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RE: Coronavirus Information...who do you trust? - Belsnickel - 01-05-2021 So, I had my twice-a-year visit with my doctor, this morning, because of my diabetes and what not. The nurse doing the weight, BP, and all that was talking about the COVID mess. She told me she wasn't going to get vaccinated. She mentioned another nurse that got the vaccine and a week later tested positive for COVID. She said "what do they expect when you're putting the virus inside you?" I didn't try to argue with her because I knew that wasn't a great idea, especially since she was going to be giving be a TDAP vaccine and a pneumonia vaccine, but this is where I get so concerned about the misinformation that is out there. As we've discussed in this thread, the COVID vaccines are not the typical dead/weakened virus types we are used to. They train the cells on what to look for, they don't introduce the virus to the immune system. And of course it is possible for someone that is immunized to be infected. One, the immunizations are not 100% effective, and two, both the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines require a second injection a couple of weeks after the initial one to reach the efficacy determined in the studies. Anyway, just had to vent a little about that. On the pneumonia vaccine: it has been approved for people with T2 diabetes under 65. It is a good idea that if you fall into a group approved for the vaccine to go ahead and get it. It won't prevent the pneumonia caused by SARS-CoV2, but it will prevent the bacterial pneumonias from taking advantage of the situation and settling in to complicate matters. Also, there is a study that came out in November about the effects of the MMR vaccine on COVID patients. https://mbio.asm.org/content/11/6/e02628-20 The tl;dr version is that the more antibodies in you from the MMR vaccine, the lower likelihood of a severe case of a COVID infection. This isn't a causal finding and there is more research that could be needed to confirm these findings. However, on average a person's antibodies level for MMR drops below the threshold about 14 years after immunization. It isn't a terrible idea to get a booster just for the sake of MMR, but if it can reduce your chance of a serious infection then it's an added bonus. I will be getting a booster in a couple weeks once my immune system calms down from today. Quote:ABSTRACT RE: Coronavirus Information...who do you trust? - Au165 - 01-05-2021 (01-05-2021, 11:28 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: She mentioned another nurse that got the vaccine and a week later tested positive for COVID. This is going to be a major issue because the vaccine takes weeks to become effective at preventing the virus. People who get it then act like they are instantly immune will become super spreaders through their ignorance. RE: Coronavirus Information...who do you trust? - Belsnickel - 01-05-2021 (01-05-2021, 11:44 AM)Au165 Wrote: This is going to be a major issue because the vaccine takes weeks to become effective at preventing the virus. People who get it then act like they are instantly immune will become super spreaders through their ignorance. Well, the problem is that with healthcare workers they would have gotten it with or without the vaccine. It's just the nature of things for them. Now, the general public, I agree. RE: Coronavirus Information...who do you trust? - Nately120 - 01-05-2021 My mother in law told my wife that she won't be getting the vaccine because it has aborted fetus in it. RE: Coronavirus Information...who do you trust? - Au165 - 01-05-2021 Seems relevant... https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/01/05/wisconsin-pharmacist-confessed-trying-destroy-vaccines-da-says/4140364001/ Quote:Pharmacist who tried to spoil 500 vaccine doses is 'admitted conspiracy theorist,' police say RE: Coronavirus Information...who do you trust? - GMDino - 01-05-2021 (01-05-2021, 11:56 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: Well, the problem is that with healthcare workers they would have gotten it with or without the vaccine. It's just the nature of things for them. Now, the general public, I agree. A friend told me today that all of his kids and he and his wife got all of their vaccinations growing up. His son served in Iraq and had a bad reaction to a vaccine. Naturally the Obama administration never helped get him any care but just one letter to the Trump administration (and the declassifying about the vaccine) and his son is in a better place, less depressed and without the suicidal thoughts. So my friend will wait to get the Covid Vaccine because he knew someone who had a bad reaction to another vaccine. And that's where we are. One person had a reaction so *I* won't take it...coming from the same people who said they weren't afraid of getting Covid because they didn't know anyone who had it or they did and they recovered fine. What a country. RE: Coronavirus Information...who do you trust? - Yojimbo - 01-15-2021 Some pretty bad vaccine news here in OR. https://www.opb.org/article/2021/01/15/oregon-covid-19-vaccine-governor-brown-trump-administration/ “Last night, I received disturbing news, confirmed to me directly by General Perna of Operation Warp Speed: States will not be receiving increased shipments of vaccines from the national stockpile next week, because there is no federal reserve of doses,” Brown said on Twitter. RE: Coronavirus Information...who do you trust? - BmorePat87 - 01-15-2021 Charles Barkley suggested today that professional athletes should be given some preferential treatment with vaccines because of how much money they pay in taxes. Beyond the fact that it's troubling to suggest that how much money you have should determine your worth to the government, athletes are primarily healthy individuals in their 20's and 30's, and do not have to interact with the public as part of their profession. This is just a bad idea and a tough look for him. RE: Coronavirus Information...who do you trust? - BigPapaKain - 01-15-2021 (01-15-2021, 05:30 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Charles Barkley suggested today that professional athletes should be given some preferential treatment with vaccines because of how much money they pay in taxes. That's why smart people don't listen to celebrities when it comes to things like science and politics (Unless that celebrity is Neil deGrasse Tyson talking astrophysics). RE: Coronavirus Information...who do you trust? - Yojimbo - 01-15-2021 (01-15-2021, 05:40 PM)BigPapaKain Wrote: That's why smart people don't listen to celebrities when it comes to things like science and politics (Unless that celebrity is Neil deGrasse Tyson talking astrophysics). NDT would tell you to be skeptical even of him and do your own research and investigating. RE: Coronavirus Information...who do you trust? - BigPapaKain - 01-15-2021 (01-15-2021, 05:45 PM)Yojimbo Wrote: NDT would tell you to be skeptical even of him and do your own research and investigating. I'd be skeptical of someone telling me to be skeptical of what they tell me. RE: Coronavirus Information...who do you trust? - BmorePat87 - 01-21-2021 according to sources in the new Biden administration, there was no vaccine distribution plan left behind... RE: Coronavirus Information...who do you trust? - Belsnickel - 01-21-2021 (01-21-2021, 10:55 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: according to sources in the new Biden administration, there was no vaccine distribution plan left behind... As we learn more about how much the Trump administration hamstringed Biden's, I find myself even more pissed off. RE: Coronavirus Information...who do you trust? - Forever Spinning Vinyl - 01-21-2021 (01-21-2021, 11:07 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: As we learn more about how much the Trump administration hamstringed Biden's, I find myself even more pissed off. And there will still be fools defending that illiterate dunce no matter how screwed up he left the country and embarrassed us on the world stage. RE: Coronavirus Information...who do you trust? - Nately120 - 01-21-2021 (01-21-2021, 06:40 PM)Forever Spinning Vinyl Wrote: And there will still be fools defending that illiterate dunce no matter how screwed up he left the country and embarrassed us on the world stage. At least we can think back to those halcyon days where we could be overtly racist and 4 people out of 10 were cool with it. RE: Coronavirus Information...who do you trust? - GMDino - 01-22-2021 Fauci seems to feel better than he can talk freely without Trump. Maybe we can see actual progress made now. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9173927/Fauci-unloads-Trump-saying-didnt-feel-talk-wouldnt-repercussions.html Quote:'It's a liberating feeling to let the science speak!' Dr. Fauci unloads on Trump saying 'things were said that weren't based on science,' and 'you didn't feel you could say something and there wouldn't be repercussions' Full story at the link. RE: Coronavirus Information...who do you trust? - masonbengals fan - 01-22-2021 So there was no plan but the new plan aims to vaccinate the same number of people monthly as the old plan. And if Trump was responsible for 400,000 dead last year did Biden's tally start this week? RE: Coronavirus Information...who do you trust? - Belsnickel - 01-22-2021 (01-22-2021, 11:32 AM)masonbengals fan Wrote: So there was no plan but the new plan aims to vaccinate the same number of people monthly as the old plan. Setting a number isn't the same as making a plan. And fixing the mess that was left behind will take some time. Trying to immediately lay things at Biden's feet like that is stupid. There is a reason it's become a meme about right-wing media doing it. RE: Coronavirus Information...who do you trust? - masonbengals fan - 01-22-2021 So when does Biden's responsibility begin ? Will we know that timeline beforehand or wait until the numbers start to improve for a better look. Biden, his party & his people weaponized the virus so don't be shocked when there is pushback. RE: Coronavirus Information...who do you trust? - Belsnickel - 01-22-2021 (01-22-2021, 11:50 AM)masonbengals fan Wrote: So when does Biden's responsibility begin ? Will we know that timeline beforehand or wait until the numbers start to improve for a better look. Biden, his party & his people weaponized the virus so don't be shocked when there is pushback. What do you mean by "weaponized the virus?" Do you mean pointing out how terrible the administration was at handling the pandemic? |