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RE: Coronavirus - Vas Deferens - 03-29-2020 (03-29-2020, 09:09 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: My first friend and best friend growing up thinks his whole family got it. He thinks his brother's family gave it to them when they came over, but he lives in Northern Kentucky , too, and not many people around here have tested positive for it, so seems weird. His family is feeling better but he's still struggling. Does your friend not have millions of dollars to get tested? What a sucker. RE: Coronavirus - Forever Spinning Vinyl - 03-30-2020 RE: Coronavirus - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 03-30-2020 (03-29-2020, 08:01 PM)6andcounting Wrote: My original post was just criticizing WHO for now admonishing countries for not preparing sooner when before WHO themselves told everyone there's no particular reason to believe it could be spread by humans to other humans. If WHO's best defense is that countries should have known better than to have listened to them - that just furthers my criticism of WHO. That is not what the WHO wrote in that tweet. Quote:As for Lou Dobbs, Trump and Fox News - that had nothing to do with my criticism of WHO. But I don't think criticism of Trump and WHO has to be mutually exclusive. And that was a tweet. Not a recommendation. Not policy. A tweet. At one particular point in time. A time when there were approximately 41 cases and one death (three days prior to the tweet) globally and all cases were still contained in China. That tweet didn’t affect other country’s preparations one way or the other. https://www.who.int/news-room/articles-detail/who-advice-for-international-travel-and-trade-in-relation-to-the-outbreak-of-pneumonia-caused-by-a-new-coronavirus-in-china Quote: From the currently available information, preliminary investigation suggests that there is no significant human-to-human transmission, and no infections among health care workers have occurred. More information is required to better understand the mode of transmission and clinical manifestation of this new virus. The source of this new virus is not yet known. https://www.who.int/news-room/articles-detail/updated-who-advice-for-international-traffic-in-relation-to-the-outbreak-of-the-novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-24-jan/ Quote: As of 24 January 2020, human-to-human transmission has been confirmed largely in Wuhan city, but also some other places in China and internationally. So just to review the timeline: 12/31/19 Cases of pneumonia of unknown etiology were reported 1/9/20 A novel coronavirus was determined to be the cause 1/14/20 the WHO tweeted the Chinese government claimed there was no evidence of human to human spread, but warned it is always a concern with respiratory illnesses and more information was needed; at this point there are approximately 40 cases 1/24/20 human to human spread had been confirmed; at this point there are approximately 300 cases with 1 in Japan, 1 in Korea, and 2 in Thailand 2/28/20 WHO raised level of alert to highest possible, Trump claimed it was a hoax; at this point there were approximately 84K cases and 3K deaths, it had spread globally to too many countries for me to bother listing But Fox News doesn’t include the part where the UN warned that just because China says there is no evidence doesn’t necessarily mean it is true all in an attempt to give Trump cover from criticism. RE: Coronavirus - Belsnickel - 03-30-2020 Here's one of the biggest issues in all of this pandemic. The whole world expects China to behave in the way they did. We shouldn't, but that's par for the course with them. However, up until 2017, the world would not have expected the US to behave in the way we have. You can say whatever you want about whether or not this would have been as bad in the US with a Clinton administration, those hypotheticals are pointless. What we can say for certain, though, is that the US stepped back from being the global leader it was, and our government's behavior during this pandemic highlights that. RE: Coronavirus - 6andcounting - 03-30-2020 (03-30-2020, 02:01 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: That is not what the WHO wrote in that tweet. If they had a particular reason to believe it could be spread they would have posted it as evidence. Instead they said there was no evidence. It was a Tweet that parroted Chinese propaganda and misled everyone who read it. Nothing more, nothing less. RE: Coronavirus - GMDino - 03-30-2020 Listen at least Inspector Trump is on the trail of all those masks "going out the back door" of the New York Hospitals. Obviouls tHE couldn't be misunderstanding the dire need for more and more gear and equipment (he keeps calling ventilators generators) so it must be some PLOT going on that the "lamestream media" with their "nasty" questions trying to be "cutie pies" is ignoring! Someone, SOMEONE has to have the cajones to get him off the mic. He's doing more damage when he speaks than when he acts...or DOESN'T act as has been the case. RE: Coronavirus - Dill - 03-30-2020 (03-30-2020, 08:19 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: Here's one of the biggest issues in all of this pandemic. The whole world expects China to behave in the way they did. We shouldn't, but that's par for the course with them. However, up until 2017, the world would not have expected the US to behave in the way we have. Totally agree with this. (03-30-2020, 08:19 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: You can say whatever you want about whether or not this would have been as bad in the US with a Clinton administration, those hypotheticals are pointless. What we can say for certain, though, is that the US stepped back from being the global leader it was, and our government's behavior during this pandemic highlights that. I would not say they are pointless. We can be pretty sure Clinton would have left the CDC alone and kept the pandemic squad on the NSC. And I am pretty sure she would not have made Bolton her national security adviser. Had Clinton been elected, then 1) we WOULD be behaving the way the world expects us too, and 2) we would have been on the pandemic much earlier and more effectively and, 3) the whole time Trump supporters and Fox would be criticizing Clinton's "mishandling" and claiming decisive billionaire businessman Trump would be doing it all so much better were he president. He would have pushed all the bureaucracy aside and contained it "right away." I hope many millions understand and consider such "hypotheticals" when they go to vote in November. Thanks to Vinyl for this great reminder. RE: Coronavirus - Dill - 03-30-2020 (03-30-2020, 08:21 AM)6andcounting Wrote: If they had a particular reason to believe it could be spread they would have posted it as evidence. Instead they said there was no evidence. "Parroting" does not include a warning that human to human transmission is always a concern. Parroting would leave that out, because it is precisely a "particular reason to believe it could be spread," regardless of "no evidence" at the moment. And whom, exactly, would that factual report "mislead"? Certainly not public health professionals. Whom then? RE: Coronavirus - Nately120 - 03-30-2020 Is the number of cases 0 yet? RE: Coronavirus - GMDino - 03-30-2020 (03-30-2020, 10:59 AM)Nately120 Wrote: Is the number of cases 0 yet? Not April yet. When the heat kills it. RE: Coronavirus - Belsnickel - 03-30-2020 Content warning: Language. But this is video has some important information for everyone. RE: Coronavirus - Nately120 - 03-30-2020 (03-29-2020, 09:09 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: My first friend and best friend growing up thinks his whole family got it. He thinks his brother's family gave it to them when they came over, but he lives in Northern Kentucky , too, and not many people around here have tested positive for it, so seems weird. His family is feeling better but he's still struggling. Still, that's got to be kinda cool to be a part of something that is helping Trump get such good ratings. RE: Coronavirus - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 03-30-2020 (03-30-2020, 08:21 AM)6andcounting Wrote: If they had a particular reason to believe it could be spread Like evidence? Fifteen days into the outbreak and five days after determining the etiology they didn’t have evidence. Quote:they would have posted it as evidence. Instead they said there was no evidence. How can you post evidence you don’t have? It’s kinda like the police and a murder suspect. “His mom says he didn’t do it, but it’s always a concern when you find a suspect at the scene of the crime. We’re gonna keep looking for evidence “ Quote:It was a Tweet that parroted Chinese propaganda and misled everyone who read it. Nothing more, nothing less. And 10 days after warning it could be spread from human to human despite what China said and more research was needed or a total of 25 days after the first cases of pneumonia were reported and 15 days after determining the etiology was a novel coronavirus the WHO formally published it was spread from human to human. There’s not a single public health organization tasked with preparing for pandemics that was fooled by that tweet. Because they don’t base their preparations upon tweets. This is nothing more than the right wing media attempting to stir controversy. It’s the Benghazi of pandemics. Bottom line, the WHO informed the world this novel coronavirus was spread via human to human contact in approximately 3 weeks of its existence. RE: Coronavirus - hollodero - 03-30-2020 (03-30-2020, 08:21 AM)6andcounting Wrote: If they had a particular reason to believe it could be spread they would have posted it as evidence. Instead they said there was no evidence. Should they have said that there was evidence? Even if said evidence would merely have been an educated guess at that point? RE: Coronavirus - hollodero - 03-30-2020 (03-30-2020, 08:19 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: However, up until 2017, the world would not have expected the US to behave in the way we have. Nope. This goes for many things though. We also would not have epected the US of just not honoring treaties and agreements, or to favor dictatorships over democracies, or choosing and flat-out worshipping an indecent dumbass as president. The US is the global disappointment of the decade in many respects. (03-30-2020, 08:19 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: You can say whatever you want about whether or not this would have been as bad in the US with a Clinton administration, those hypotheticals are pointless. I disagree with that one. Believing other administrations, past or hypethetical future ones, would have handled this better is a pretty essential thought to me. The current one lies, misinforms, speculates and taunts its TV ratings when giving crisis updates. Not hard to imagine other presidents would have chosen a more constructive approach. RE: Coronavirus - GMDino - 03-30-2020 https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/28/trump-coronavirus-politics-us-health-disaster?CMP=share_btn_tw Quote:The missing six weeks: how Trump failed the biggest test of his life But her emails... But she responded to Benghazi too slowly... Morons. RE: Coronavirus - Belsnickel - 03-30-2020 (03-30-2020, 02:07 PM)hollodero Wrote: I disagree with that one. Believing other administrations, past or hypethetical future ones, would have handled this better is a pretty essential thought to me. This is responding to you and to Dill. When I say those hypotheticals are pointless, it is pointing out that paying that game right now isn't helpful. Pointing out the failures of this administration, like the firing of the person we had in China, the disbanding of the pandemic response team, the claims this was a hoax, etc., is fine. But what good does looking at hypotheticals of a Democratic administration really do? Trump ****** up. Point it out every minute of every hour of every day. I just don't see a good reason to discuss "what if Hillary..." On a side note, my governor just issued a stay at home order but fishing is still allowed. So if you'll excuse me... RE: Coronavirus - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 03-30-2020 (03-30-2020, 03:34 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: This is responding to you and to Dill. When I say those hypotheticals are pointless, it is pointing out that paying that game right now isn't helpful. Pointing out the failures of this administration, like the firing of the person we had in China, the disbanding of the pandemic response team, the claims this was a hoax, etc., is fine. But what good does looking at hypotheticals of a Democratic administration really do? Trump ****** up. Point it out every minute of every hour of every day. I just don't see a good reason to discuss "what if Hillary..." Update on Liberty University . . . https://www.yahoo.com/news/nearly-dozen-liberty-university-students-020700565.html RE: Coronavirus - 6andcounting - 03-30-2020 (03-30-2020, 10:04 AM)Dill Wrote: "Parroting" does not include a warning that human to human transmission is always a concern. Parroting would leave that out, because it is precisely a "particular reason to believe it could be spread," regardless of "no evidence" at the moment. They put a qualifier on their Chinese propaganda. Stunning and brave. RE: Coronavirus - 6andcounting - 03-30-2020 (03-30-2020, 02:01 PM)hollodero Wrote: Should they have said that there was evidence? If they had evidence it can be spread person-to-person and didn't put it out there so that countries can make their own decision about preparing for the worst, I would say they screwed up. |