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RE: Nearly 30 dead as multiple mass shootings hit across the US - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 08-07-2019 (08-07-2019, 01:56 PM)hollodero Wrote: I guess the reason would be that these politically motivated shootings are just one instance of white supremacy and its dangers of many. I don't know of anyone who completely dismisses the concept of white supremacists. Of course it exists as there are people of every race with those feeling and beliefs about their own ethnicity/race. Maybe they're disagreeing with the threat as perceived by others? RE: Nearly 30 dead as multiple mass shootings hit across the US - Belsnickel - 08-07-2019 (08-07-2019, 04:09 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I think the far right brand of terrorism is what is most often discussed. Although they often have white supremacist leanings they are not inextricably linked. One can be rabidly anti-government and have no racist component to their radicalization. Do we know this hasn't been given the attention it deserves or is this speculation? It seems to me that Federal law enforcement has stopped several far right terror plots of late so they obviously aren't ignoring it. That was my speculation, though there is some evidence of that being the case: https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-08-05/trump-officials-have-redirected-resources-from-countering-far-right-racism-fueled-domestic-terrorism I also heard a discussion with a former member of the NSC who was there during the first year of the administration and he discussed the difficulty and reluctance of the administration to focus on the issue. (08-07-2019, 04:09 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I know you aren't making this claim, but this statement is so insanely inflammatory (and highly unlikely IMO) that I'm going to need a source or I'm calling complete BS. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/fbi-faces-skepticism-over-its-anti-domestic-terror-efforts/2019/08/04/c9c928bc-b6e0-11e9-b3b4-2bb69e8c4e39_story.html Quote:Some veteran counterterrorism experts said the FBI and the federal government have done too little, despite concerns that have been building for more than a decade. (08-07-2019, 04:09 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I think it's some of that. It's also a way to indirectly, and directly, attack Trump and influence public opinion going into 2020. Oh, absolutely. Of course, when his own administration is who is saying that it is the greatest domestic terrorism threat (though the statement was later clarified, I just discovered) it's going to be a big part of the news, as well. RE: Nearly 30 dead as multiple mass shootings hit across the US - TheLeonardLeap - 08-07-2019 (08-06-2019, 12:38 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: He made mention of 32 mass shootings when Obama was president. The number I found was 67 in 8 years. (08-06-2019, 12:45 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Apparently he meant 32 of 4 or more killed, but the closest I can find is that 42 were 5 or more killed...? https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-cb-mass-shootings-language-definition-gun-violence-20190805-dv2g5lcumbeq3gji4dnycx7j74-story.html Every group has their own definition of "mass shooting" and criteria in order to qualify as such. People pick and choose which group's numbers to used based off of what message they are trying to send. Some used people shot, some used people killed, some don't include the shooter as a person killed in order to qualify, some don't include gang violence, some don't include shootings in a domestic setting. The article makes a crazy point of the two extremes. One group has it listed as 225 mass shootings so far in 2019, another has that number at 7. So it's basically a pointless task to bother discussing numbers as everyone will be using different sources that give different results. RE: Nearly 30 dead as multiple mass shootings hit across the US - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 08-07-2019 (08-07-2019, 04:27 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-cb-mass-shootings-language-definition-gun-violence-20190805-dv2g5lcumbeq3gji4dnycx7j74-story.html The criteria most often used, because it severely inflates the numbers, is a shooting in which four or more people are injured or killed. Of course, this criteria doesn't distinguish between how the injuries occurred, so if I'm running from a shooting and fall and break my ankle, that counts. Ironically, this criteria is a bit of a narrative killer as under it a significant majority of such shootings are committed by black men. RE: Nearly 30 dead as multiple mass shootings hit across the US - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 08-07-2019 (08-07-2019, 04:22 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: That was my speculation, though there is some evidence of that being the case: https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-08-05/trump-officials-have-redirected-resources-from-countering-far-right-racism-fueled-domestic-terrorism Thank you for the sources, very disconcerting. Quote:Oh, absolutely. Of course, when his own administration is who is saying that it is the greatest domestic terrorism threat (though the statement was later clarified, I just discovered) it's going to be a big part of the news, as well. Agreed. RE: Nearly 30 dead as multiple mass shootings hit across the US - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 08-07-2019 I meant to post this the day it was published, but it slipped my mind. Good read and a bit of perspective. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49227590 I realize this is zero comfort to those affected and I am not mitigating it in any way, but within the last ten years the highest number of people killed by extremists of any stripe was just under 75, in 2016. The analysis shows that around 78% of extremist killings are committed by white supremacists. So, at it's absolute worse, white supremacists killed 58 people in one year. This is bad, it should not be ignored, but it's nothing remotely like the threat that it's being purported to be in the media right now. BTW the same year as above, 2016, there were 43 fatal dog attacks. https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2016.php RE: Nearly 30 dead as multiple mass shootings hit across the US - Mike M (the other one) - 08-07-2019 (08-06-2019, 03:24 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: I believe I know the ridiculous answer to this, but just for shits and giggles... Where? What mall have you been to with security check points at every entrance? Then what's my answer? I've said it on here before, it's not a big secret. RE: Nearly 30 dead as multiple mass shootings hit across the US - Bengalzona - 08-07-2019 It is strange hearing people with blatant narcissistic personality disorder blaming shooting sprees on people with mental illness. RE: Nearly 30 dead as multiple mass shootings hit across the US - GMDino - 08-07-2019 (08-07-2019, 06:37 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: It is strange hearing people with blatant narcissistic personality disorder blaming shooting sprees on people with mental illness. He is a lunatic. Seriously. There is something mentally wrong with the man. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/08/07/trumps-ohio-visit-dayton-mayor-nan-whaley-confused-president-tweets/1946291001/ Quote:'Oh well': Dayton mayor confused by Trump's criticism of how she described his visit Ignore the fact that the media was told they could not follow the President because it "wasn't a photo-op" and then Trump's people tweeted out a bunch of photos (then used by his campaign). He didn't get the praise he thought he should get so he just lied about everything. What a pitiful little "man". RE: Nearly 30 dead as multiple mass shootings hit across the US - GMDino - 08-07-2019
RE: Nearly 30 dead as multiple mass shootings hit across the US - GMDino - 08-07-2019 Like I've said...he has no empathy. Today was just for marketing purposes.
RE: Nearly 30 dead as multiple mass shootings hit across the US - GMDino - 08-07-2019
RE: Nearly 30 dead as multiple mass shootings hit across the US - Yojimbo - 08-07-2019 (08-07-2019, 08:28 PM)GMDino Wrote: Looks like the Florida guy’s van. Is hoarding of campaign signs/stickers/flags a thing? RE: Nearly 30 dead as multiple mass shootings hit across the US - GMDino - 08-07-2019
RE: Nearly 30 dead as multiple mass shootings hit across the US - BmorePat87 - 08-08-2019 (08-07-2019, 11:01 PM)GMDino Wrote: We're asked to take his lip service as sincere, as he delivers it with little to no emotion or energy, and asked to ignore the way he passionately and loudly laughs and smiles as people call for immigrants to be shot. We're asked to trust him, but he repeats lies and falsehoods. We're asked to believe that he has our nation's security and values as a priority as he defends a dictator shooting off rockets and continues to claim that another is not currently seeking to hinder our election. When he says something plainly, we're told to not take it at face value because he didn't mean it (even when he says he does). When he speaks rhetorically, we're told to not read into it and take it at face value because he couldn't have been implying what he implied. He calls for something and we're asked why we are not praising him for it, even when he contradicts his calls hours later. RE: Nearly 30 dead as multiple mass shootings hit across the US - jj22 - 08-08-2019 Trump spent the visits playing victim, attacking his "enemy's", Dems, the Media and pretty much forgot about those murdered and his purpose there. The pushback he received from people shows Americans are growing tired of this act. RE: Nearly 30 dead as multiple mass shootings hit across the US - michaelsean - 08-08-2019 To switch gears a moment, I've been watching a series on ID called Evil Lives Here. It's usually family members of someone not quite infamous although you would recognize a few, and they talk about the person's life leading up to whatever event they are known for. In most of these cases, the parents do everything in their power, but get very little help. They beg for help from psychiatrists and from the government. No parent is equipped to raise a psychotic. Some day if the histories of these two people are revealed, there's a good chance we will find a parent who tried to get help years ago. Like when they were eight or younger. RE: Nearly 30 dead as multiple mass shootings hit across the US - hollodero - 08-08-2019 (08-07-2019, 04:11 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I don't know of anyone who completely dismisses the concept of white supremacists. Well, Tucker apparently does.... he called it a hoax and a conspiracy theory. RE: Nearly 30 dead as multiple mass shootings hit across the US - jj22 - 08-08-2019 Well Tucker is also a holocaust denier and believed slavery wasn't all that bad which is why blacks fought for the confederate (ignoring they were promised freedom if they did and that it later came out that they were never going to be freed if the South won). Tucker, unfortunately, is very popular with Conservatives and Trump supporters. So you already know many of Americans agree with him. RE: Nearly 30 dead as multiple mass shootings hit across the US - Vas Deferens - 08-08-2019 (08-07-2019, 06:08 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Then what's my answer? I'm not the one who claimed to have visited a mall with metal detectors as if it's somehow germane. That's fine. Continue sitting on your super secret mall intelligence. |