(08-25-2019, 11:14 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Definitely.

People are in the honeymoon phase with Taylor so every move the Bengals make they think is new and innovative.

re: Willis starting - Malone, Core, and Erickson are #5 guys on most teams. Ross has been hurt all preseason. Willis has actually produced in games and practice. Tate is hurt.

This isn't sending a message. And having an UDFA come in and win a starting job basically shows you don't have a lot of quality depth at that position. Maybe IF Willis won the job year 2 or 3...Our WR's outside Green and Boyd were bad last year. Terrible PFF rankings.

Price was bad at C last year. Hopkins was below average. He was terrible as a starter at Guard. He's also 27. Price has the chance to develop. I doubt that Hopkins will get a lot better. IF Marvin made this move, it would be holding a young guy down. We saw this said over and over when Ross didn't play as a rookie.

MJ winning a starting job? I like it, but Westerman is apparently bad. Jerry was out of the league last year. Boling retired.

I think these moves we're seeing, while on the surface look good...they show we lack a lot of high-end talent on the roster. UDFA's don't win starting jobs as a rookie on most good teams.

(08-25-2019, 11:03 PM)Synric Wrote: Flanker is the receiver lined up off the line. While yes it interchanges from right to left side...the flanker is usually on the right why? Most QBs are right handed so it gives that side an easier release.

(08-25-2019, 11:06 PM)Nately120 Wrote: This has me scratching my head a bit, too.  If Marvin benched a 2nd year guy for a scrapheap vet wouldn't we be on his case for refusing to allow young guys to develop?

(08-26-2019, 12:56 AM)Whatever Wrote:   They went into the draft hoping Ragnew would be there, and he wasn't, so they reached for the next best C out of need.  Stuff like this is why you don't reach for need and don't go into the draft absolutely having to draft X position unless you're in the Top 5.

(08-26-2019, 01:06 AM)Bengal Dude Wrote: I praise Tobin for his success and lay into him for his failures. We've been told that he's the de facto GM, and that became crystal clear in the 2017 draft. 

The Price pick was just another example why this team needs to stop being frugal in free agency. Everyone in the world knew we were going for a center, so I knew it was unlikely we were going to get Ragnow. The Bengals convinced themselves that Price was just as good, I personally preferred James Daniels over Price.

(08-25-2019, 04:23 PM)jj22 Wrote: Thoughts on Price being benched. It would never have happened under Marvin. 

(08-26-2019, 11:46 AM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Suffice it to say, Marv would play guys (for a number of reasons) longer than he should have, based on their performance and, in turn, would keep a guy on the bench longer than he should have (again, for a number of reasons). 

It disingenuous to pigeonhole him and say he did one thing while not doing the other. 

It's hard to say for certain that he wouldn't have given MJ the start at OG, because Boling retired. It is pretty certain that he would not have started Willis, because Malone and Core have been here longer and they have more game experience. 

(08-26-2019, 03:19 PM)Wyche Wrote: I agree 100% with this.

(08-26-2019, 03:19 PM)Wyche Wrote: I agree 100% with this.

(08-26-2019, 04:00 PM)fredtoast Wrote:  I disagree.

In 2010 Andre Caldwell was an experienced starter, but Marvin played rookie Jordan Shipley in front of him.

And I am sure I can find plenty of other examples.  Many of the complaints people have about Marvin just are not true.

Zac Taylor recently announced that Trey Hopkins will be the starter at center for the #Bengals

This preseason, Hopkins allowed zero pressures across 80 pass-blocking snaps.

His 90.4 pass-blocking grade this preseason ranks 1st among 60 qualifying centers! pic.twitter.com/N0uJzBmdsn

— PFF CIN Bengals (@PFF_Bengals) August 26, 2019

(08-26-2019, 07:39 PM)Synric Wrote: This is probably a good reason why Hopkins won the starting job at Center.

Zac Taylor recently announced that Trey Hopkins will be the starter at center for the #Bengals

This preseason, Hopkins allowed zero pressures across 80 pass-blocking snaps.

His 90.4 pass-blocking grade this preseason ranks 1st among 60 qualifying centers! pic.twitter.com/N0uJzBmdsn

— PFF CIN Bengals (@PFF_Bengals) August 26, 2019

(08-26-2019, 07:39 PM)Synric Wrote: This is probably a good reason why Hopkins won the starting job at Center.

Zac Taylor recently announced that Trey Hopkins will be the starter at center for the #Bengals

This preseason, Hopkins allowed zero pressures across 80 pass-blocking snaps.

His 90.4 pass-blocking grade this preseason ranks 1st among 60 qualifying centers! pic.twitter.com/N0uJzBmdsn

— PFF CIN Bengals (@PFF_Bengals) August 26, 2019

(08-26-2019, 07:39 PM)Synric Wrote: This is probably a good reason why Hopkins won the starting job at Center.

Zac Taylor recently announced that Trey Hopkins will be the starter at center for the #Bengals

This preseason, Hopkins allowed zero pressures across 80 pass-blocking snaps.

His 90.4 pass-blocking grade this preseason ranks 1st among 60 qualifying centers! pic.twitter.com/N0uJzBmdsn

— PFF CIN Bengals (@PFF_Bengals) August 26, 2019

(08-26-2019, 12:46 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Cedric Ogbuehi and John Ross beg to differ.

(08-26-2019, 08:44 PM)bfine32 Wrote: that really doesn't support a lot of the narrative going on around here. I hope Price breaks into the starting lineup but I hope it's at RG. 

(08-26-2019, 08:53 PM)mallorian69 Wrote: Anyone know what his run blocking grade was compared to Price's? 

(08-26-2019, 09:11 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: That would be a good spot for an attacking type of blocker, like Price.  And, he was an All-American at RG, before they asked him to move over to Center.




I don't know, but I'm thinking that there's likely a sever drop off in Hopkins' run blocking grade compared to his pass blocker rating.  Price's strength is as an aggressive drive blocker.  No better place for him to do that, than at his original position from College, Right Guard.

(08-26-2019, 09:53 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I don't see how any OL has a good run blocking grade in preseason. Our run blocking seemed non existent.

(08-26-2019, 09:05 PM)jj22 Wrote: Not when they were supposedly playing good as ZT keeps saying about Price.

Both of those players you mentioned obviously struggled. Price would still be considered too much of an upgrade over Bodine to even think his seat was hot.