(09-23-2020, 01:18 AM)Geno_Can_Dunk Wrote: Not what everybody else here is talking about, but I just read Hobson's interview with Taylor, and wow his comments about the OL are depressing. Basically he denies there's a problem. Joe "does a good job anticipating pressure," and so that leads to a lot of "pressures" that really aren't. What a bunch of crap. And I'd think he was just trying to defends his players, but then the next question he just says the defense is terrible and needs to get better. Why can't he admit that about the OL?

Smh

(09-23-2020, 12:01 AM)Joelist Wrote: I think what he is referring to is the interesting difference in the reactions of the anti-Andy gang to what we are seeing this season versus last season. Last season it was blame Andy and avoid in all possible ways noting the OL issues, scheme issues and inability of the receivers to get separation. This season they suddenly note these factors while holding Burrow blameless, assigning the mistakes to being a rookie.

Meanwhile the "pro-Andy" posters (which really did not exist per say) have noted these issues both this season AND the previous ones. They also are fine with Burrow and attribute the gaffes to being a rookie.

How about we all just agree that Burrow is doing okay but the persistent issues with the OL, scheme and play of some of the receivers are torpedoing the offense just like they have the past 3-4 years.

(09-22-2020, 11:45 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: You are talking out of your ass now. I'm not sure what you are referencing...but you must be thinking of someone else. 

(09-23-2020, 01:40 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: first, you are the one who referenced Dalton and homie.. sarcasm back at you.. my point was.. I was comparing Dalton after two games with Burrow after two games since it seems many on here have come to the idea that Burrow is a franchise QB and that his performance over his first two games show that.. Well Dalton's performance over his  first two games with also a bad team was just as good and better in some areas than Burrow and though he was a solid QB .. he was not able to be the "Franchise QB" that leads us to wins in playoffs.. I have not seen enough in 2 games from Burrow to place him as that guy either which some seem to have on here.  

I actually have seen  similarities to the young Dalton , short passes, pretty accurate on those throws, spreading the field around and outside of one throw safe with the ball.  Burrow is for sure more mobile which should help more with a bad line though but man he got to improve on passing down the field or he will never reach the "Franchise" status. 

Interesting Both Dalton and Burrow as excellent 2nd games.. but scoring points in 4th quarter but falling short. Dalton did have a rough next two games so lets hope Burrow shows us more over that span...

(09-23-2020, 01:49 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Joe Burrow was the consensus #1OA pick in the 2020 NFL draft, having just won the Heisman, Manning, Davey O'Brien, etc etc awards, a National Championship and set records for the single greatest statistical season in NCAA history. 

Andy Dalton was a 2nd round pick...and you're comparing the two? GTFOhere

Just admit that you've been sitting around frothing at the mouth for a chance to shoot Burrow down because poor Andy got picked on and shipped outta here when it was beyond apparent that he wasn't taking the team anywhere. 

(09-23-2020, 01:56 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: I don't think it's that; he's one of the VERY few that hasn't woken up yet to the fact that Burrow was NOT a 1 year wonder (he thinks Burrow fluked out last year).

(09-23-2020, 03:50 PM)Bengalfan4life27c Wrote: A more accurate comparison for Dalton is last year. This year Burrow has a better Oline, better defense, a number 1 receiver all that Dalton didn't have last year. 2 games in Burrow is slightly worse than Dalton last season. Do I think Burrow will be better eventually? absolutely but he will never be a top 10 QB unless he can improve his deepball accuracy. YPA if its good it means your QB is pushing the ball downfield.

(09-23-2020, 03:50 PM)Bengalfan4life27c Wrote: A more accurate comparison for Dalton is last year. This year Burrow has a better Oline, better defense, a number 1 receiver all that Dalton didn't have last year. 2 games in Burrow is slightly worse than Dalton last season. Do I think Burrow will be better eventually? absolutely but he will never be a top 10 QB unless he can improve his deepball accuracy. YPA if its good it means your QB is pushing the ball downfield.

(09-23-2020, 03:58 PM)Earendil Wrote: Look, I loved Andy and all, but comparing a nine year veteran to a rookie after two games is asinine.

(09-23-2020, 04:53 PM)fredtoast Wrote: This.

You guys know how much I liked Dalton, but until last week against the Chargers Burrow had never taken a single nap against an NFL defense that was 100% trying to beat him up.

I got a little sick of the "Burrow will walk on water" talk that was going around here, but I want him to be great.  I am not going to start judging  him after just two games.

(09-23-2020, 01:49 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Joe Burrow was the consensus #1OA pick in the 2020 NFL draft, having just won the Heisman, Manning, Davey O'Brien, etc etc awards, a National Championship and set records for the single greatest statistical season in NCAA history. 

Andy Dalton was a 2nd round pick...and you're comparing the two? GTFOhere

Just admit that you've been sitting around frothing at the mouth for a chance to shoot Burrow down because poor Andy got picked on and shipped outta here when it was beyond apparent that he wasn't taking the team anywhere. 

(09-23-2020, 02:21 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: Please stop comparing Andy Dalton's first two games to Joe Burrow's.  I shouldn't have to put out the obvious, but it's not at all apples to apples.

-Andy Dalton's first he was 10-15 for 81 yards and 1 TD. And he got 121 yards on the ground from Cedric Benson.

-Joe Burrow's first game he was 23-26 for 191 yards.  He got 69 yards on the ground from Joe Mixon.

-Through 2 starts Andy Dalton had 56 attempts.

-Through 2 starts Joe Burrow had 97 attempts.

-Andy Dalton's team had the #9 best defense in 2011. (Where's your guess we end up this year?)

It's clear as day one QB was being asked to do much, much more for their respective team.  It's clear as day Andy Dalton's line was better. (Whitworth, Livings, Cook, Bobbie Williams, Andre Smith)  And it's clear as day they joined two entirely different teams.

(09-23-2020, 07:36 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Duh.. I am comparing the two because they were picked as our "franchise qbs" and you are correct Burrow should be held to a higher standard.. with this resume.. as you should also.... 

As for you actually knowing what I felt about Dalton being released, if you look back at my posts I understood the release.. that does not mean i was totally on board picking Burrow.. look back at my posts it was not about Dalton but about what we might be able to get with trading back knowing we had more issues than QB.. I did like Herbert and felt i would be open to a trade back if we could get him and more.  

(09-23-2020, 07:36 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Duh.. I am comparing the two because they were picked as our "franchise qbs" and you are correct Burrow should be held to a higher standard.. with this resume.. as you should also.... 

As for you actually knowing what I felt about Dalton being released, if you look back at my posts I understood the release.. that does not mean i was totally on board picking Burrow.. look back at my posts it was not about Dalton but about what we might be able to get with trading back knowing we had more issues than QB.. I did like Herbert and felt i would be open to a trade back if we could get him and more.