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RE: Coronavirus Information...who do you trust? - GMDino - 03-30-2021 The former guy is still angry and still (mostly) lying. https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/29/trump-fauci-birx-cnn-documentary-478422 Quote:Trump lashes out at Fauci and Birx after CNN documentary RE: Coronavirus Information...who do you trust? - Mickeypoo - 03-30-2021 (03-30-2021, 10:05 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Then educated people know the huge differences between New York and Texas that effect rate of covid infection. I don't depend on any specific media no matter how many times you say it, but if it gives you warm fuzzy's to keep saying it, you go right ahead buddy. Is all media except Fox ok with you? What exactly is your preferred criteria for "news" outlets? Do you have a Fred approved list of acceptable media outlets that are unbiased and only report the truth? What media resources am I allowed to post that you will not immediately discount? I heard Texas lifted the mask mandate and then I Googled the stats and looked at the numbers from the date of the mandate being lifted to current date. Riiiiiiiight. The "educated" people. Like the ones who basically said Texas would turn into doom and death over 3 weeks ago? Like the ones who have flip flopped 15 times on masks since Covid started? pfft. RE: Coronavirus Information...who do you trust? - GMDino - 03-30-2021 (03-30-2021, 02:05 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: I don't depend on any specific media no matter how many times you say it, but if it gives you warm fuzzy's to keep saying it, you go right ahead buddy. This was a month ago: https://www.khou.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/by-the-numbers-texas-reopening/285-fb52da78-ad7c-4566-b016-e6d685b38ecf Quote:“More than 5.7 million vaccine shots have already been given to Texans," Abbott said. There has been some drop since then, that's true. The question is if that can continue as mitigations methods are completely dropped. But I also understand that Texas politicians don't care as long as they can say they were tough and independent. RE: Coronavirus Information...who do you trust? - Mickeypoo - 03-30-2021 (03-30-2021, 02:14 PM)GMDino Wrote: This was a month ago: Nah, I think they just realize at this point in time mask mandates and lockdowns are ridiculous. RE: Coronavirus Information...who do you trust? - GMDino - 03-30-2021 (03-30-2021, 02:24 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: Nah, I think they just realize at this point in time mask mandates and lockdowns are ridiculous. Well there is some good, scientific based fact filled decisions. I mean personally I don't care you or any one is Texas wants to lick doorknobs and have coughing parties with each other...but the facts don't back up your or their claims. Again, it doesn't matter becuase the gop is all about what they "feel" right now...whether it is true or not....when it come to the virus. RE: Coronavirus Information...who do you trust? - fredtoast - 03-30-2021 (03-30-2021, 02:05 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: I don't depend on any specific media no matter how many times you say it, but if it gives you warm fuzzy's to keep saying it, you go right ahead buddy. It has nothing to do with "warm fuzzies". Instead it is the fact that every point you btry to make is almost word-for-word from the right-wing propaganda sources. For example (03-30-2021, 02:05 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: Like the ones who have flip flopped 15 times on masks since Covid started? pfft. No one has flip flopped 15 times over mask use. The only source for claims like that is the right-wing echo chamber. Fauci changed his mind once based on learning more about the virus. If you actually looked at facts you would know this. Who else are you claiming has changed their mind multiple times over the benefits of wearing masks. RE: Coronavirus Information...who do you trust? - Mickeypoo - 03-31-2021 (03-30-2021, 02:38 PM)GMDino Wrote: Well there is some good, scientific based fact filled decisions. Actually, the numbers do back up my claims. TX March 2.....7 day average deaths 232 TX March 31...7 day average deaths 102 TX March 2.....7 day average cases 7259 TX March 31...7 day average cases 3883 FL March 2.....7 day average deaths 132 FL March 31...7 day average deaths 74 FL March 2.....7 day average cases 5652 FL March 31...7 day average cases 5133 Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand the Nanny State "everybody is going to die" locked down NY. NY March 2....7 day average deaths 112 NY March 31..7 day average deaths 103 NY March 2....7 day average cases 7399 NY March 31..7 day average cases 9882 Let the excuses and "science" fly boys. I am sure there are a bunch. lmao!! RE: Coronavirus Information...who do you trust? - Mickeypoo - 03-31-2021 (03-30-2021, 03:24 PM)fredtoast Wrote: It has nothing to do with "warm fuzzies". Instead it is the fact that every point you btry to make is almost word-for-word from the right-wing propaganda sources. Keep trying buddy, keep trying. I got that from watching Fauci himself flip flop on masks more than once. Just because my own personal opinion may line up with a particular slant does not mean I got that view from any one specific source. If I had a dollar for every time you guys said Right Wing or Fox. lmao!! RE: Coronavirus Information...who do you trust? - GMDino - 03-31-2021 (03-31-2021, 10:40 AM)Mickeypoo Wrote: Keep trying buddy, keep trying. I got that from watching Fauci himself flip flop on masks more than once. Just because my own personal opinion may line up with a particular slant does not mean I got that view from any one specific source. If I had a dollar for every time you guys said Right Wing or Fox. lmao!! What is so hard about understanding that this virus was a new variation and that as we learned more we adjusted how to handle it? Are people just dumb or willfully ignorant? I swear some of y'all would still be using bleeding as a method...after all medicine "flip flopped" about it working. RE: Coronavirus Information...who do you trust? - GMDino - 03-31-2021 (03-31-2021, 10:35 AM)Mickeypoo Wrote: Actually, the numbers do back up my claims. Link? RE: Coronavirus Information...who do you trust? - Mickeypoo - 03-31-2021 (03-31-2021, 10:44 AM)GMDino Wrote: Link? Google "Texas covid deaths", or any other state. You will see a NY Times interactive timeline where you can change the state and view cases, deaths and the rolling 7 day average. Just mouse over the graph to see the day to day numbers and the rolling average. RE: Coronavirus Information...who do you trust? - Mickeypoo - 03-31-2021 (03-31-2021, 10:43 AM)GMDino Wrote: What is so hard about understanding that this virus was a new variation and that as we learned more we adjusted how to handle it? Nah man, nothing that complicated. If Covid was as bad and as dangerous as they tried to make us believe it was (well some of you believe it) then you would not see all the pols and actors and celebs and the Cuomo Bros with their giant dildo skit laughing and not social distancing/not mask wearing and out at parties and dinners with friends, etc, etc, etc, etc. Chris C and his fake basement "coming out" party, etc. They aren't scared.........Hmmmmmmmmm. Do you even realize that only 11K people average per state over 16 months have died from Covid? Ya, let's go batshit cray cray and lock everything down and keep kids out of school and crush our economy. RE: Coronavirus Information...who do you trust? - GMDino - 03-31-2021 (03-31-2021, 01:54 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: Nah man, nothing that complicated. So some celebrities didn't take it seriously and that convinces you that no one should have? That sounds slightly delusional on your part and completely avoids the point I was making about "flip flopping". Probably because you know you're wrong but maybe because you're just believing whatever you want devoid of facts. But once again we see you don't care about deaths as long as you can justify how many there were. RE: Coronavirus Information...who do you trust? - Mickeypoo - 04-01-2021 (03-31-2021, 02:12 PM)GMDino Wrote: So some celebrities didn't take it seriously and that convinces you that no one should have? That sounds slightly delusional on your part and completely avoids the point I was making about "flip flopping". Probably because you know you're wrong but maybe because you're just believing whatever you want devoid of facts. No, it's more the people saying, on national TV, that you are a murderer if you don't social distance and wear a mask and then getting caught not social distancing or wearing masks. Believe what you want. So let's remove the emotion of death for a minute and let's zoom way out to about 120k feet. A little globe that is about 20% habitable land wise. The USA is a small fraction of that, is broken up into 48 pieces (49 if you count Alaska in the continental US) and with 320-350M little people scurrying about. They have a stable, but fragile system. Like ants in their colony. Now here comes Covid. It wipes out on avg. 11K per 49 pieces over 16 months. Each piece has, except for a few, at least 1M People and the most populated up to 10's of millions of people. It does not seem prudent or wise to have such a massive upheaval and disruption of the fragile system that would effect 10's to 100's of millions of people for such a small amount death (550k comparatively to 320-350M). As you saw in my numbers from my earlier post, it does not appear to make much of a difference whether one of the 49 pieces created massive upheaval vs one of the pieces that did not. This is even more of a reason to not create a state of fear, panic, upheaval and disruption. In the long term the system would be better served to stay stable. Now, if we are talking death on a massive scale, 10's of milions USA and 100's of millions worldwide of all ages/all health ranges, then yes, you have to try and save the "hive" (earth) (humans) by any means necessary. Inserting emotion into these kinds of things takes away the ability to think clearly about what needs to be done long and short term. With 550K dead over 16 months and a population of 320-350M you simply cannot convince me that the drastic measures we took, that effected 10's to 100's of millions of people were correct or worth it. Also, at this point, the numbers don't bear out that most of it was necessary. Do I have a sense of sadness for people who have lost loved ones to Covid? Of course I do, but you cannot let that emotion interfere with what is best long term for the whole of the people. RE: Coronavirus Information...who do you trust? - GMDino - 04-01-2021 (04-01-2021, 11:25 AM)Mickeypoo Wrote: No, it's more the people saying, on national TV, that you are a murderer if you don't social distance and wear a mask and then getting caught not social distancing or wearing masks. Believe what you want. This is still purely subjective on your part. Even Trump's own people said we would have seen deaths in the millions had we not followed mitigation methods. But I'm not surprised that there are people out here, you among them, who just don't care about anyone else unless it's about money (the economy). Greed and selfishness will be our downfall just like every other civilization before us. RE: Coronavirus Information...who do you trust? - Nately120 - 04-01-2021 (04-01-2021, 11:25 AM)Mickeypoo Wrote: No, it's more the people saying, on national TV, that you are a murderer if you don't social distance and wear a mask and then getting caught not social distancing or wearing masks. Believe what you want. I'll admit I'm not very in tune with that the media, entertainment or "news" has to say about covid, but you are peaching a "logic over emotions" mantra but you are using what looks like a very emotional and hyperbolic approach to covid relevant restrictions and measures. At any rate, asking human beings to take emotion out of any equation, particularly one that involves the deaths of reasonably innocent people, seems like a fool's errand, at best. RE: Coronavirus Information...who do you trust? - Mickeypoo - 04-01-2021 (04-01-2021, 12:27 PM)GMDino Wrote: This is still purely subjective on your part. Even Trump's own people said we would have seen deaths in the millions had we not followed mitigation methods. But that is also subjective, because there is no way to know what would have happened with no mitigation. When Texas ended the mask mandate people also said there would be doom and death, but just the opposite happened. We can see the numbers from places that are still locked down vs open and the numbers are very similar or in some cases even better for the open state. Why do you think I do not care about anyone else and where did I say it's just about the money. It's about the big picture and long term outlook. Listen, I tried to nicely and genuinely explain how I viewed Covid and the lockdowns, etc. I am sorry if it was not a genius level thesis. If all you got out of what I posted was what you wrote above, I don't know what to tell you. RE: Coronavirus Information...who do you trust? - fredtoast - 04-01-2021 (03-31-2021, 10:40 AM)Mickeypoo Wrote: Post a link. RE: Coronavirus Information...who do you trust? - GMDino - 04-01-2021 (04-01-2021, 01:53 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: But that is also subjective, because there is no way to know what would have happened with no mitigation. When Texas ended the mask mandate people also said there would be doom and death, but just the opposite happened. We can see the numbers from places that are still locked down vs open and the numbers are very similar or in some cases even better for the open state. Doesn't have to be genius level...it has to make sense. And it makes perfect sense. You don't believe the virus was bad, you think we killed the economy for nothing. i.e. The economy was more important that any lives that were potentially saved. It's not hard, I just read what you post. So my comment remains true: People out there, including you, care more about the economy than saving any lives. Doesn't matter if it is 1 or 500,000. That doesn't surprise me. Our inability to care about each other because it might cost a buck or someone else might get a little bit ahead is well documented in this country and the history of the world. That doesn't surprise me. It will be years before we know what worked, what didn't...but we already know that lots of people would rather see other people die than see the economy slow down while we try to save lives. RE: Coronavirus Information...who do you trust? - Mickeypoo - 04-01-2021 (04-01-2021, 02:05 PM)GMDino Wrote: Doesn't have to be genius level...it has to make sense. And it makes perfect sense. You don't believe the virus was bad, you think we killed the economy for nothing. i.e. The economy was more important that any lives that were potentially saved. It's not hard, I just read what you post.I don't believe I have ever listed the economy on it's own. There are many, many negative effects from lockdowns, some long term. I care more about the "health" of the Country as a whole (320-350M) over the long term more than 550k people, yes. But that does not mean I do not care at all. I respect what you believe. I just have a different point of view and it appears to be backed up by the numbers at this point. |