(08-12-2017, 07:02 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I have been contemplating that picture all day. I have wanted to say something about it, but I can't find the words to adequately express my emotions about it.

(08-12-2017, 07:57 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: No, that includes them. Of course, they wouldn't have been in that helicopter there had it not been for the carpetbagging bigots of the alt-right.

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(08-12-2017, 11:41 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: That picture is impressive because although he (presumably) doesn't agree with what they're saying yet he's still defending their right to say it, because it's his job and it's their right, and that's an admirable demonstration of how things are supposed to work. Blaming the helicopter crash on the protestors is fairly ridiculous. I'm going to have to delve into the slimy territory of defending these shitheads on this matter, but the simple fact is they planned a protest. Even the guys carrying their weapons around were doing so legally, protesting legally (at least at first) regardless of the filth they spew out of their mouth.

"Counter-protestors" showed up with the express intent of blocking other's free speech and committing violence. That's wrong. They escalated a situation from a bunch of racist Nazi shitbags legally protesting, to a violent skirmish in the street. That skirmish is what caused that helicopter to be needed, which resulted in it being crashed. The carpetbagging bigots of the alt-right weren't the cause of that helicopter being needed, because they were (disgustingly) using their rights in a legal manner. No skirmish would have broken out if they had just been ignored with the disdain that they deserve.

Just because they are horrible people, though, does not mean they can be refused free speech and the right to assembly. That's something that needs to be remembered in this situation.

(08-12-2017, 11:54 PM)Millhouse Wrote: I'm perfectly happy that people went there to oppose them. If more people in Germany opposed the Nazis in the 1920s and early 30s, maybe they would have never got into power like they did, and 60 some million lives would have been saved from the war of extermination and domination they brought about.

Point is if people want to spew their ideas and whatnot fine. But if its evilness they are spewing, I hope for the sake of humanity there will be people there to oppose them. 

(08-12-2017, 11:54 PM)Millhouse Wrote: I'm perfectly happy that people went there to oppose them. If more people in Germany opposed the Nazis in the 1920s and early 30s, maybe they would have never got into power like they did, and 60 some million lives would have been saved from the war of extermination and domination they brought about.

Point is if people want to spew their ideas and whatnot fine. But if its evilness they are spewing, I hope for the sake of humanity there will be people there to oppose them. 

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(08-13-2017, 12:17 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Once you start deciding who is allowed to enjoy their rights and who isn't, you're not much better than those Nazi... because you choose one fight, and sure, maybe you're on the right side this time. Next time? Who knows, but you sure won't, because you physically beat down people who you disagree with and stripped them of their rights, you're morally compromised now. Maybe you liked the feeling of beating someone down and displaying your power over them. You want to do it some more. Next thing you know, you're roving around in gangs, covering up your face, carrying a weapon, and jumping anyone who disagrees with you, or even looks like they disagree with you, ruthlessly quashing all voices that believe differently than you. All in the name of "fighting" fascism:







Then maybe it's time for someone to come beat the crap out of you, violently quashing you and your opinion and rights because they disagree with them... because that's what we will have then devolved into. A place where that's an acceptable method to deal with an opinion you don't like.

If this is allowed to continue, it's going to continue to escalate. At first it was just screaming, yelling at each other. Then it became spitting and punching, maybe a rock or something. Then people started bringing sticks, bottles, and mace. Now people are coming with eye protection from mace, helmets to protect their heads, some kind of weapon, bottles, mace. The next step in this escalation is when people start using those guns they're carrying (note there has been none used despite all the open carry people there, at least as far as I have seen). That's not going to last for forever if these people get violently mobbed any time they try to use their rights.

(08-13-2017, 12:24 AM)GMDino Wrote: Yeah, all the sane people know which is the "right" side of this.

They are free to speak.  They are free to assemble.

They are evil, wrong and should be shouted down.

But hey "many sides" just like the POTUS said, right?  

(08-13-2017, 12:32 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: One side is filled with horrible people exercising their rights.
The other side is filled with (maybe) not horrible people showing up with the express intent to violently refuse people their rights.

I don't care for either group, but I am going to choose to defend the side who are legally exercising their rights every single time, even if I don't agree with what they're using it for. Be it a gay pride parade, nazi protest, vagina hat feminism march, and even a bunch of shitty Steelers fans.

(08-13-2017, 12:17 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Once you start deciding who is allowed to enjoy their rights and who isn't, you're not much better than those Nazi... because you choose one fight, and sure, maybe you're on the right side this time. Next time? Who knows, but you sure won't, because you physically beat down people who you disagree with and stripped them of their rights, you're morally compromised now. Maybe you liked the feeling of beating someone down and displaying your power over them. You want to do it some more. Next thing you know, you're roving around in gangs, covering up your face, carrying a weapon, and jumping anyone who disagrees with you, or even looks like they disagree with you, ruthlessly quashing all voices that believe differently than you. All in the name of "fighting" fascism:



Then maybe it's time for someone to come beat the crap out of you, violently quashing you and your opinion and rights because they disagree with them... because that's what we will have then devolved into. A place where that's an acceptable method to deal with an opinion you don't like.

If this is allowed to continue, it's going to continue to escalate. At first it was just screaming, yelling at each other. Then it became spitting and punching, maybe a rock or something. Then people started bringing sticks, bottles, and mace. Now people are coming with eye protection from mace, helmets to protect their heads, some kind of weapon, bottles, mace. The next step in this escalation is when people start using those guns they're carrying (note there has been none used despite all the open carry people there, at least as far as I have seen). That's not going to last for forever if these people get violently mobbed any time they try to use their rights.

(08-12-2017, 10:51 PM)GMDino Wrote: Like saying driving cars into crowds is a "Muslim thing"?

Like that?

(08-13-2017, 12:36 AM)GMDino Wrote: Yep.  I defend their right to speak..,they have no right to not be protested.

Once side ran over people with a car.

Guess we all make our own choices.

Yep.

Quote:Female Reporter for The Hill Allegedly Punched by ‘Antifa’ Protester in Charlottesville

Adam Shaw12 Aug 2017

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Taylor Lorenz was filming the site of the incident that left at least one person dead — after a car was driven into a crowd of “anti-fascist” protesters responding to a parallel white nationalist protest in the city. The suspect was identified by police late Saturday as 20-year-old James Alex Fields Jr.

According to video given to DailyMail.com by Lorenz (who is a former reporter for the outlet), a nearby shirtless protester objects to her filming the resulting pandemonium and is heard asking her to stop filming. When she refuses to put her camera away, he appears to punch her and yells “stop ***** recording.” Lorenz can be heard yelling as her phone hits the ground, and others intervene.

She said on Twitter that she was fine apart from being “really ***** pissed,” and said she was attempting to file charges against the man who punched her.



She later updated to her followers to say that the man who punched her already had a warrant out for his arrest and was detained by police.


President Trump condemned the violence in a statement:

“We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence on many sides, on many sides,” he said.

“Above all, we must remember this truth, no matter our color, creed, religion or political party, we are all Americans first,” he added.

Adam Shaw is a Breitbart News politics reporter based in New York. Follow Adam on Twitter: @AdamShawNY

(08-13-2017, 01:00 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/12/female-reporter-for-the-hill-allegedly-punched-by-antifa-protester-in-charlottesville/

These people are the worst.

Add to the list the antifa protestors turning violent on police.

Quote:In my conversations on what happened in Charlottesville, I consistently blame the "carpetbagging bigots" of the alt-right/white nationalists for what occurred. There are some that will try to tell me that if "antifa" or whomever would just let them say their thing then nothing would have happened and so they should be blamed. Here is why I lay it entirely at the feet of the alt-right.

First, on Friday night we saw right-wing extremists violently attack peaceful counter-protesters at UVA with flaming tiki torches. Then, the next day, the same group also attacked local, peaceful counter-protesters. We cannot pretend that the white nationalists are only defending themselves. They are aggressors in this as much as the antifa group.
Second, Richard Spencer, David Duke, and all the rest of them were not there for the statues and parks. They were feeding off of the controversy that the situation brings. They preyed on Charlottesville, a nearby community that many of us have ties to, that is dealing with a situation already causing strife in their community. They preying on this strife and using it to garner sympathy for their cause and swell their ranks.

They bring people from all over the country with the full knowledge that they will bring a counter-group that will do the same. They have been fighting this war in many places and leaving communities wrecked in their wake. They don't care about our communities, they don't care about our local issues, they care about spreading their hateful message, gaining sympathy because of a group fighting against them and making it easier for them to do so.

This is why I blame the white nationalists. If they did not prey on the community, then none of this would have happened. We need to recognize and make clear that this is their tactic. We need to fight against this to keep them out of our communities, because they aren't going to be here to clean up after they leave.

JUST IN: FBI says it's opening a civil rights investigation into the deadly car crash in downtown Charlottesville Saturday. pic.twitter.com/WMj6XH0FaE

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