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RE: North Korea threatens to withdraw from summit with Trump - fredtoast - 04-18-2019 (04-18-2019, 09:29 AM)GMDino Wrote: https://www.apnews.com/2ff1e53cfc9d42a7821c7f4e6a740642 Maybe Kim is just getting desperate? But it still looks like Trump may be getting played by one of his other buddies "Russia announced Thursday that Kim will visit later this month for talks at the invitation of President Vladimir Putin, but gave no further details. Russian media have been abuzz in recent days with rumors about the rare meeting between the leaders. Putin is to visit China later this month, and some media speculated that he could meet with Kim in Vladivostok, the far eastern port city near the border with North Korea." RE: North Korea threatens to withdraw from summit with Trump - GMDino - 04-24-2019 Well, Trump's way seems to be working well. ![]() https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-48032592 Quote:Kim Jong-un in Russia for Vladimir Putin summit RE: North Korea threatens to withdraw from summit with Trump - fredtoast - 04-24-2019 I'll give Putin credit for being 100% correct about one thing "According to his spokesman, the Kremlin believes the six-party talks on North Korea, which are currently stalled, are the only efficient way of addressing the issue of nuclear weapons on the Korean peninsula. Those talks, which began in 2003, involve the two Koreas as well as China, Japan, Russia and the US." It is going to take a coordinated international effort to address the problem of NK's nukes. No one country will be able to fix anything. RE: North Korea threatens to withdraw from summit with Trump - bfine32 - 04-24-2019 (04-24-2019, 02:58 PM)GMDino Wrote: Well, Trump's way seems to be working well. I agree. These Russian talks could lead to something and were most likely set up because Trump shunned Kim at their last one. So seldom we agree; it's nice to every now and then. RE: North Korea threatens to withdraw from summit with Trump - fredtoast - 04-24-2019 (04-24-2019, 06:25 PM)bfine32 Wrote: These Russian talks could lead to something and were most likely set up because Trump shunned Kim at their last one. Damn, son, you live deeper in the echo chamber than I realized. “This wasn’t a walkaway like you get up and walk out,” Trump told reporters. “No, this was very friendly. We shook hands. . . . There’s a warmth that we have, and I hope that stays. I think it will. But we’re positioned to do something very special.” RE: North Korea threatens to withdraw from summit with Trump - bfine32 - 04-24-2019 (04-24-2019, 06:48 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Damn, son, you live deeper in the echo chamber than I realized. I doubt anyone on the planet, with whom you disagree, lives deeper in the echo chamber than you claim. If they were all only as enlightened and self-opinionated as you. RE: North Korea threatens to withdraw from summit with Trump - GMDino - 04-25-2019 (04-24-2019, 06:25 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I agree. These Russian talks could lead to something and were most likely set up because Trump shunned Kim at their last one. So seldom we agree; it's nice to every now and then. Every week (at least) I am shown how people don't get humor on these boards. ![]() ![]() If you truly believed that DJT should get any credit for anything and he didn't tweet about it (repeatedly) saying it was his doing then Fred may be right that you are deeper in the echo chamber than any "real" Trump supporter...which you "not". Nonetheless *I* bet Trump is happy his daddy Putin is in the news. ![]() RE: North Korea threatens to withdraw from summit with Trump - JustWinBaby - 04-30-2019 Right now, Trump has failed, and succeeded, pretty much as much as every other POTUS before him with respect to NK, Iran, etc.... Playing hardball with Russia and China might be the only solution, but even the arrogant Trump lacks the fortitude to take the economic hit. That's why these moves fail - those guys don't have to worry about re-election. But it's also not just about our own fortitude. If the rest of the world won't abide by the sanctions, it just won't work. RE: North Korea threatens to withdraw from summit with Trump - fredtoast - 04-30-2019 (04-30-2019, 04:50 AM)JustWinBaby Wrote: If the rest of the world won't abide by the sanctions, it just won't work. We had pretty much every country of any significance on board with the sanctions against Iran until Trump pulled us out of that deal. RE: North Korea threatens to withdraw from summit with Trump - Dill - 05-03-2019 (04-30-2019, 11:34 AM)fredtoast Wrote: We had pretty much every country of any significance on board with the sanctions against Iran until Trump pulled us out of that deal. And sanctions worked pretty well to bring Iran to the table. Now there is the added problem of Trump's attempt/threats to force allies and signatories to the Iran deal to comply with sanctions again--regardless of the cost to their economies. The US has become such a bad and inept hegemon! Regarding NK, Trump has accomplished what no president before him has. 1. He let Kim out of the Box. Now the guy is traveling around the world meeting foreign leaders. Jeez, Kim even put in an appearance at the Asian Games as Indonesia's guest last summer. 2. Now that its "ok" to meet with Kim, it will become much harder to keep sanctions on him--especially US-lead sanctions. Sanctions are difficult to create and enforce, but US diplomacy had them working on Iran and NK--until Trump. RE: North Korea threatens to withdraw from summit with Trump - Bengalzona - 05-03-2019 (05-03-2019, 03:49 PM)Dill Wrote: And sanctions worked pretty well to bring Iran to the table. Now there is the added problem of Trump's attempt/threats to force allies and signatories to the Iran deal to comply with sanctions again--regardless of the cost to their economies. The US has become such a bad and inept hegemon! Worse than any of this, it now gives future 'bad actor' nations a blueprint of how to deal with the U.S. Our leadership in the world has pretty much been effectively undermined by our own national leadership. And that compromises our national security. But that is what xenophobia does. RE: North Korea threatens to withdraw from summit with Trump - Dill - 05-06-2019 (05-03-2019, 05:46 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: Worse than any of this, it now gives future 'bad actor' nations a blueprint of how to deal with the U.S. That is an excellent point. Now NK has tested a medium range missile and demanded that Pompeo be removed from negotiations. Plus we owe them 2 million for Warmbier's bills. LOL Trump "shaking things up" and doing "what no president has done before." RE: North Korea threatens to withdraw from summit with Trump - Bengalzona - 05-06-2019 (05-06-2019, 03:53 PM)Dill Wrote: That is an excellent point. I may be the only person in the country who feels way, but I felt that we should have invaded North Korea in the early 2000's rather than Iraq. RE: North Korea threatens to withdraw from summit with Trump - Dill - 05-07-2019 (05-06-2019, 04:38 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: I may be the only person in the country who feels way, but I felt that we should have invaded North Korea in the early 2000's rather than Iraq. Wouldn't that be a far bigger mess than Iraq, though? Would China sit still for that? Would SK and Japan and Russia be ok with that? I think sanctions were the only way to go, with one presidency handing off to the next. RE: North Korea threatens to withdraw from summit with Trump - Bengalzona - 05-10-2019 (05-07-2019, 10:30 AM)Dill Wrote: Wouldn't that be a far bigger mess than Iraq, though? We never adequately resolved business there. We have left it an open wound for 66 years. It would be better for the U.S. if the whole Korean peninsula were under a common government, be it communist or democratic. In the meantime, China and Russia have been able to utilize North Korea as a constant thorn in our side. This use has been accelerating during the past few years, particularly with Russia: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/north-korea-s-new-missile-has-russian-fingerprints-all-over-n1004151?fbclid=IwAR2DnCwkcZFkVPiCVatdg-GORdY_JGsuFhNpiuc3PqSh13sIAWMXDnfLtUE But, instead, we chose to use our resources to invade and occupy Iraq at the behest of the Saudis because then the Saudis could funnel money back to our politicians' private companies. RE: North Korea threatens to withdraw from summit with Trump - fredtoast - 05-10-2019 (05-10-2019, 12:47 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: We never adequately resolved business there. We have left it an open wound for 66 years. It would be better for the U.S. if the whole Korean peninsula were under a common government, be it communist or democratic. We can not just keep invading countries that are not a threat to us. You people act like it is nothing to kill our brave young soldiers. China would not have stood for us invading NK and it would have been an EPIC mess. RE: North Korea threatens to withdraw from summit with Trump - Bengalzona - 05-10-2019 (05-10-2019, 01:12 PM)fredtoast Wrote: We can not just keep invading countries that are not a threat to us. If war with China is inevitable, as a lot of people believe, it would have been better to have fought it 15 or 20 years ago. Even moreso with Russia. RE: North Korea threatens to withdraw from summit with Trump - fredtoast - 05-10-2019 (05-10-2019, 01:17 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: If war with China is inevitable, as a lot of people believe, it would have been better to have fought it 15 or 20 years ago. Very few people think we will ever go to war with China. They need us as consumers, and we like to buy their cheap products. In fact China has invested so much in the United States through the purchase of government bonds that they would be cutting their own throats by attacking us. RE: North Korea threatens to withdraw from summit with Trump - Bengalzona - 05-10-2019 (05-10-2019, 01:30 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Very few people think we will ever go to war with China. They need us as consumers, and we like to buy their cheap products. If that is true, then that supports moving on North Korea even more. Why would they risk getting involved if they have so much to lose? RE: North Korea threatens to withdraw from summit with Trump - fredtoast - 05-10-2019 (05-10-2019, 01:47 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: Why would they risk getting involved if they have so much to lose? Because NK borders China. We become a direct security threat if we prove that we are willing to invade countries that are not a threat to usand we are taking over a country that borders China. And I said we BOTH have too much at risk. |