(07-05-2018, 09:00 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: Obviously it is hard to know for sure until you are in the situation, but I like to think I'd be okay with it. What good does it do for that person to be put to death?

I'm currently looking at the situation in Charlottesville with the death penalty. James Fields, the man who drove into the crowd of protestors killing one, injuring many others, and causing many more to experience PTSD from the event, has been charged with around 30 federal civil rights violations and is therefore eligible for the death penalty. I know a lot of the people that were in the path of that car. I visited people in the hospital in the aftermath, I know some of the medical personnel that treated them that day. I didn't know Heather Heyer, but I know many of those in her circle and have met with her mother. I hope they do not seek the death penalty for him. Putting James Fields in the ground will not heal all of those people. It won't resurrect Heather Heyer. I just don't see the point in ending another life.

(07-05-2018, 09:02 AM)michaelsean Wrote: Protect others in prison, and  personally I don't want the dude existing anymore.  

(07-05-2018, 09:09 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: Executing Fields creates a martyr for the alt-right. It arguably does more for their cause than locking him up in prison.

(07-05-2018, 09:20 AM)michaelsean Wrote: That seems like a guess, but I don't know that a lot of the alt-right are in favor of mowing down people with cars.  that is also a guess.

(07-05-2018, 01:06 AM)mallorian69 Wrote: I have a question for all of you who are against the death penalty. If someone close to you, say your spouse child or parent were killed, all of it caught on camera, how would you feel knowing that you would be paying for that person to get 3 hots and a cot as well as 100% free medical care for life while your loved one lies cold in the ground? I know I sure as hell wouldn't be ok with that.

(07-05-2018, 09:20 AM)michaelsean Wrote: That seems like a guess, but I don't know that a lot of the alt-right are in favor of mowing down people with cars.  that is also a guess.

(07-05-2018, 09:27 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: Have you seen the chats between members of the alt-right? They talked about doing that before the event occurred. They praised Fields in the aftermath.

(07-05-2018, 01:06 AM)mallorian69 Wrote: I have a question for all of you who are against the death penalty. If someone close to you, say your spouse child or parent were killed, all of it caught on camera, how would you feel knowing that you would be paying for that person to get 3 hots and a cot as well as 100% free medical care for life while your loved one lies cold in the ground? I know I sure as hell wouldn't be ok with that.

(07-05-2018, 10:59 AM)Benton Wrote: Yeah, I remember memes about what a truck would do to a snowflake and things along that line. It would usually be followed by something about how that was the only way to deal with violent leftists, which typically has been people peacefully protesting.

(07-05-2018, 11:13 AM)hollodero Wrote: Wasn't there someone on these boards who suggested hitting the gas pedal was the reasonable thing to do, given how all these violent people probably had surrounded the car and threatened the guy.
Also, at that time I used to shock myself at Breitbart. There was little to no condemnation of the deed, but much deep condemnation of leftists showing up in the first place. To many, it was their own fault, not the fault of the poor guy who just acted in self-defense, threatened from those protesting leftist enemies.

Death penalty for that guy would certainly rally up some people even more. While not really having a positive effect.

(07-03-2018, 05:24 PM)fredtoast Wrote: We all know innocent people get convicted.

I am in favor of giving them life in prison so that they have a chance to correct the mistake.

You are in favor of killing them.

If you support the death penalty then you support killing innocent people instead of giving them a chance to correct the mistake.

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(07-05-2018, 11:13 AM)hollodero Wrote: Wasn't there someone on these boards who suggested hitting the gas pedal was the reasonable thing to do, given how all these violent people probably had surrounded the car and threatened the guy.
Also, at that time I used to shock myself at Breitbart. There was little to no condemnation of the deed, but much deep condemnation of leftists showing up in the first place. To many, it was their own fault, not the fault of the poor guy who just acted in self-defense, threatened from those protesting leftist enemies.

Death penalty for that guy would certainly rally up some people even more. While not really having a positive effect.

Quote:A Minneapolis man was looking for a random adult to kill over the weekend before he threw a 5-year-old boy from a third-floor balcony at the Mall of America, authorities said.

Emmanuel Aranda, 24, grabbed the child and tossed him down nearly 40 feet on Friday, leaving the boy with life-threatening injuries, including multiple broken bones and severe head trauma, according to charging documents.

(07-05-2018, 01:06 AM)mallorian69 Wrote: I have a question for all of you who are against the death penalty. If someone close to you, say your spouse child or parent were killed, all of it caught on camera, how would you feel knowing that you would be paying for that person to get 3 hots and a cot as well as 100% free medical care for life while your loved one lies cold in the ground? I know I sure as hell wouldn't be ok with that.

(04-17-2019, 06:34 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Still no takers?

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/man-threw-5-old-mall-america-balcony-looking-064900300--abc-news-topstories.html

(04-17-2019, 06:34 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Still no takers?

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/man-threw-5-old-mall-america-balcony-looking-064900300--abc-news-topstories.html

(07-03-2018, 10:11 AM)hollodero Wrote: Can I also answer, while being an European for once? I'm against the death penalty under all circumstances, and the reason is that I don't want the government to kill people without necessity. The life and death power is something I'd rather leave to fate than to some officials.

It seems like a bit of a slippery slope.
(Just like Americans tell me restricting free speech by excluding Nazis from that is a slippery slope. It probably isn't in both cases, but still... I don't want government or anyone to have the power to kill in cold blood. Executing criminals is killing in cold blood, isn't it?)

(04-19-2019, 03:01 AM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Death penalty discussions break most people's brains.

It's inordinately expensive...Not a deterrent....and there have been far too many innocent victims put to death.   There shouldn't be a debate here, yet somehow there is because of partisan brainwashing.

(04-19-2019, 03:36 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Do we have just the right amount of innocent people who die in prison serving out life sentences?

(04-19-2019, 07:42 PM)Benton Wrote: Innocent people get convicted to life sentences because of a flawed system, so the better solution is to kill them?