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RE: Biden In The Debates...... - Mickeypoo - 09-15-2020 (09-15-2020, 09:17 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: So did Dr. Birx. And Trump didn’t correct her for taking him literally. What are the context clues that suggests he was speaking allegorically? I’m surprised that a guy who says exactly what he means so rarely, if ever, means what he says. RE: Biden In The Debates...... - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 09-16-2020 Mick, if you put your answers inside my quote then I can’t quote your quotes. So I’m sorry for this format. 1) Injecting disinfectants is not thinking outside the box. https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/25/845015236/nyc-poison-control-sees-uptick-in-calls-after-trumps-disinfectant-comments https://www.google.com/amp/s/en.as.com/en/2020/04/25/other_sports/1587834179_103339.amp.html Despite your doubts, poison control centers across the country reported increased exposures to disinfectants and ERs treated more patients for the same. 2) We did very little to protect anyone initially because Trump was lying to us. Your suggestion of getting rid of social distancing, getting rid of face coverings, and eliminating any sort of restrictions on gatherings would essentially return us to January before things got really bad and some people started taking it seriously rather than listening to Trump’s lies. 3) So you don’t have any data, just a feeling? And I’m supposed to trust your feeling over Dr. Fauci’s education, training, and experience? Yesterday, I admitted to michaelsean he was correct and I was wrong based upon data. I’ve indicated I’m capable of admitting I’m wrong and changing my position, but why should I believe you instead of epidemiologists? 4) Pick any Confederate soldier you like and he is a traitor to this country and the enemy undeserving of a monument to his treason. They should be pulled down. 5) Floyd was in restraints and in the police vehicle. Basically, mission accomplished before they pulled him out of the vehicle they tried so hard to get him into. I know he was uncooperative getting into the vehicle which is why it was so stupid to remove him once they got him in there. I’ve prescribed and administered many types of pain meds. Including fentanyl while in Iraq. If Floyd ODed on fentanyl or any opioid it wouldn’t take three cops to WRESTLE him into a vehicle. He wouldn’t be resisting arrest. He’d be resisting unconsciousness. Here’s his autopsy report which doesn’t list OD as a cause of death : https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents/public-safety/documents/floyd-autopsy-6-3-20.pdf This is a study showing the therapeutic range of fentanyl which didn’t result in OD and Floyd’s level was within the therapeutic range which is probably why OD isn’t listed as a cause of death. https://watermark.silverchair.com/bks005.pdf?token=AQECAHi208BE49Ooan9kkhW_Ercy7Dm3ZL_9Cf3qfKAc485ysgAAApwwggKYBgkqhkiG9w0BBwagggKJMIIChQIBADCCAn4GCSqGSIb3DQEHATAeBglghkgBZQMEAS4wEQQMn65zHMC-YO-nN-ioAgEQgIICTxl9i-Gc1UGlw5kbwR_GIVER6LD_Hj1y0axEkH4m3Mi_Y6zq3In5MHL8xxUAPEndnovdMKcc26e6THzYB-rDieLawCvSQa7hYam1jddK99-JO4NPzHAqRWu6NupDpLPbACvM22Ov90X7ESaidQ-JJOZDPc7L4GvDKJVXlYbftqa0Hgx_rox7O4yBtwlltttDR2FyIZW2XlBoEnPjuZGTaEOy3Fo2TGMgyxOiJeL8bjQaJl-gMYlvWX-1cnTP-3ry9EZo3KDl1G676Y-QBCeCJtqslAv25-5SPjIKhV1SVudpIXzELpV9bawO3RyarNxObOMbsXb9iQ_yiWy5W8I_jbwyej9Hzv-wv2IKiKEDUMc7sQibMPco9WJfyFkaLLDy4Z0lPFXcc3KtxjQSOElmh4HRgeIKf-GRwhdQpqQZ6FAEBedL3nQGGGoJyCb7sFZdiPAMqxau_EDx1kMX1faJXkV7wty8xz2dYqnOcm9KS4v-Nub5tFH9DTzsda-y3e9YxHGWRm7Pf4FOHejZlFTIN1tOSeu1Ct71oIEArKwnl5RMcSFcQ_u9NAwtwLZ2Feurk-Slwo4wn3U9ShHyoPYE37lIgDdi2Pq4X5q3bo4jMLRF4oDvxXMJQkUIXrfNTtUs2ls_kocidrBwq_L68S0oNJgXuJ0Eae6oq-Xvf3o1v_KMve3fXmArriyYqpqA14bewzXOtcXukh3X9_2Vt51D8zZKVbSOngSS-XVxMyMPzjjOTg_1ppL41tzpAkWfc5jm4LS2Yb4TD4RmcbYfVagMWA 6) They absolutely weren’t doing everything they could. Recommendations to contain the spread included testing and contact tracing. Tests were always in short supply despite a commercially available tests which was available in January which they didn’t approve for use until late March or April. Just one example. If you can’t test the over 8,000 people you let in from China despite “banning” them from entering the country then you should quarantine them. The travel ban failed. They failed to test adequately. They failed to quarantine adequately. In the military, this is what is known as a goat **** because they left SNAFU, FUBAR, and goat rope in the rear view mirror on their way to a full blown cluster **** of epic proportions you only see once a century. RE: Biden In The Debates...... - Mickeypoo - 09-16-2020 (09-16-2020, 01:18 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Mick, if you put your answers inside my quote then I can’t quote your quotes. So I’m sorry for this format. Oh, i'm sorry, I thought it would make it easier to read. On the disinfectant thing. I'm not defending his choice of words at all, it was stupid, but I do not believe the narrative critics were trying to push either. This also proves there are some pretty, um, "simple" people out there. I don't say that to be mean. It's just that my 9 yr old and 12 yr old would know not to do that. On the Floyd thing. I'll have to re-watch the video. From what I remember seeing was Floyd partially in the car resisting and saying he was claustrophobic, so they let him back out. Were they showing compassion for him? I don't know. Autopsy said he had 11mg fentanyl in his system and that they have pronounced OD with as little as 3mg before. I re-read the report and you are correct that they did rule homicide with contributing factors being fentanyl and heart disease with one artery clogged 75%. Don't get me wrong, I am not defending Chauvin on this. That dude is a piece of s@!t who should have been fired long ago. The one thing that can't be argued though, in any of these cases (minus Taylor) is that if the suspect cooperates with the police they are all still alive today. The other problem I have with all this race charged rhetoric around all of these different police shootings is that there is zero proof any of them were race related. There is speculation, emotion, feelings, assumptions, etc., but no proof of any kind that race played any role in what happened. On the Covid thing. Really, it is hard to argue either way whether the Trump administration did everything they could. There is a lot of noise from the media and critics of Trump and a lot of positives from his supporters and friendly media. On it's face what you said would appear to make it look like they did not do everything they could, but you would have to research and examine each situation to get a true picture. His critics were also not helping calling the Prez a racist and xenophobe for the travel ban. Everybody says Trump did a bad job with Covid response not realizing or ignoring that there is huge amounts of info coming from all angles from many different sources during an unprecedented time. There is so much more to just saying any Prez didn't do a good job in a certain situation and common people like us will never be able to know the ins and outs of what happened to make a fair assessment. On top of all that, my own personal opinion is that Covid was massively overblown once the Dems realized it could hurt Trump in the election if the economy was down and people were distressed. Just my opinion, but before Covid, Trump was cruising to an easy victory with the strong economy and record low unemployment. The polls showed people were very happy with the direction of the Country. So politics adds a whole nother level to the "did he handle Covid properly" debate. There is just way to much going on from to many different levels to ever truly know what the correct answer is. RE: Biden In The Debates...... - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 09-16-2020 (09-16-2020, 09:09 AM)Mickeypoo Wrote: Oh, i'm sorry, I thought it would make it easier to read. It was easy to read, but more difficult to respond. Quote:On the disinfectant thing. I'm not defending his choice of words at all, it was stupid, but I do not believe the narrative critics were trying to push either. This also proves there are some pretty, um, "simple" people out there. I don't say that to be mean. It's just that my 9 yr old and 12 yr old would know not to do that. Except I’m not pushing a narrative by critics I’m telling you what I saw with my own eyes. I also see a pattern of you making excuses for what he said. ‘He didn’t mean it.’ ‘People are dumb for listening to the President.’ Here’s the thing, his critics aren’t pushing a “narrative,” they’re telling the truth on this one. This is an easy one that anyone with eyes and ears should be able to agree upon. Quote:On the Floyd thing. I'll have to re-watch the video. From what I remember seeing was Floyd partially in the car resisting and saying he was claustrophobic, so they let him back out. Were they showing compassion for him? I don't know. Autopsy said he had 11mg fentanyl in his system and that they have pronounced OD with as little as 3mg before. I re-read the report and you are correct that they did rule homicide with contributing factors being fentanyl and heart disease with one artery clogged 75%. Don't get me wrong, I am not defending Chauvin on this. That dude is a piece of s@!t who should have been fired long ago. The one thing that can't be argued though, in any of these cases (minus Taylor) is that if the suspect cooperates with the police they are all still alive today. Floyd said he was claustrophobic before he was in the vehicle and yet they wrestled him in the vehicle despite his protests. They didn’t care he claimed to be claustrophobic or they wouldn’t have wrestled him into the vehicle to begin with. Despite Floyd’s uncooperative behavior he was in the vehicle before the police removed him from the vehicle. If the police don’t remove Floyd from the vehicle then Chauvin wouldn’t kneel on his neck until he kills him. If any of Chauvin’s fellow officers intervene in Chauvin killing Floyd then naturally Floyd wouldn’t have been killed, either. So it can absolutely be argued Floyd should be alive today despite resisting. Furthermore, there is a reasonable expectation police will encounter multiple suspects who will resist arrest over the course of their careers so it is also reasonable to expect police should be trained well enough not to kill people when they do resist. Quote:The other problem I have with all this race charged rhetoric around all of these different police shootings is that there is zero proof any of them were race related. There is speculation, emotion, feelings, assumptions, etc., but no proof of any kind that race played any role in what happened. You have no proof your uneducated opinion of getting rid of current pandemic mitigation strategies and opening fully is a better strategy than Dr. Fauci’s educated opinion on disease prevention and public health, yet you still believe your opinion despite a complete dearth of any evidence. So I’m going to have to ask you to remain consistent in your arguments. You don’t get to ask for evidence when you like, but refuse to provide evidence when it is asked of you. Conversely, if you expect to be believed without evidence then you will have to believe others without evidence. You don’t get to have your cake and it it , too. Quote:On the Covid thing. Really, it is hard to argue either way whether the Trump administration did everything they could. There is a lot of noise from the media and critics of Trump and a lot of positives from his supporters and friendly media. On it's face what you said would appear to make it look like they did not do everything they could, but you would have to research and examine each situation to get a true picture. His critics were also not helping calling the Prez a racist and xenophobe for the travel ban. No, it’s not hard to argue. I presented you a simple example and you’re making excuses. A recommendation from the beginning was test, isolate, contact trace. They did a poor job of that. Travel bans aren’t recommended and they did a poor job with that letting thousands in directly from China. The approached it ass backwards. Quote:Everybody says Trump did a bad job with Covid response not realizing or ignoring that there is huge amounts of info coming from all angles from many different sources during an unprecedented time. There is so much more to just saying any Prez didn't do a good job in a certain situation and common people like us will never be able to know the ins and outs of what happened to make a fair assessment. Need I remind you Trump was publicly telling Americans the China virus was a Democrat hoax in February while privately admitting to Bob Woodward he was lying? That’s the definition of making it political while failing in your duty as President during a national (not state) crisis. RE: Biden In The Debates...... - BigPapaKain - 09-17-2020 While we're talking about terrible a candidate is during a live discussion, did anyone catch that Town Hall meeting? Holy shit that was awful. RE: Biden In The Debates...... - Mickeypoo - 09-17-2020 (09-17-2020, 03:12 PM)BigPapaKain Wrote: While we're talking about terrible a candidate is during a live discussion, did anyone catch that Town Hall meeting? Like him or hate him, he at least makes himself very available to the press for questions. He also does not need a teleprompter or script to answer said questions. I would have called BS on the teleprompter narrative, but Biden's Spokesman Ducklo refused to answer a specific, simple yes or no question about it. If Biden isn't using them to answer questions then that is an easy hard "no" answer and then move on. There are also videos of him appearing to use a prompter to answer questions, plus the lady who said she was supposed to read the script but went rogue. Biden doing a CNN Town Hall tonight @8p hosted by Anderson Cooper. Should be some serious hard hitting, difficult questions from Cooper and the CNN crowd. lol. Hopefully there really are. I wonder when Biden will do a Fox News Town Hall? RE: Biden In The Debates...... - Nately120 - 09-17-2020 (09-17-2020, 03:31 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: Like him or hate him, he at least makes himself very available to the press for questions. He also does not need a teleprompter or script to answer said questions. Trump has walked away from questions/interviews/press conferences, labeled questions/the people who ask them as nasty, and he does indeed use teleprompters and scripts and when he goes off them he is prone to rambling about himself and ignoring the actual question. Anyone who is pro-Trump and brings up mental acuity or teleprompters as a means to slag on Biden is walking around naked in a glass house, so to speak. (09-17-2020, 03:31 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: I wonder when Biden will do a Fox News Town Hall? According to some media-driven narratives, if/when Biden speaks he will soil himself and then ramble on about how ice cream costs a nickle and his childhood dog will be his VP. RE: Biden In The Debates...... - Mickeypoo - 09-17-2020 (09-17-2020, 03:52 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Trump has walked away from questions/interviews/press conferences, labeled questions/the people who ask them as nasty, and he does indeed use teleprompters and scripts and when he goes off them he is prone to rambling about himself and ignoring the actual question. I wasn't saying he doesn't use teleprompters. I was saying he doesn't use them for the purpose of answering constituent or press questions. All I was saying was that Ducklo had the perfect opportunity on national television to put the whole teleprompter narrative to bed with a single word, "No", and he couldn't do it. Why? As far as I can remember, the only thing I have ever said about Biden's mental acuity is that based off of watching old video of him speak and watching him speak since he started his campaign something seems off to me. And I meant it genuinely, not to pick on him. I even said I feel sorry for him at one point. I don't believe I have said more than that. In fact I don't think I have posted much about Trump or Biden specifically and have purposely tried not to make any kind of attacking type comments. I am a Trump policy supporter. If you reversed Trump and Biden, but not the policies, I'm voting for Biden. RE: Biden In The Debates...... - BmorePat87 - 09-17-2020 (09-17-2020, 03:31 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: Like him or hate him, he at least makes himself very available to the press for questions. He also does not need a teleprompter or script to answer said questions. The White House set a record for most days without a press briefing after a month without them and then shattered the record by going over 300 days without them, ending the streak as the pandemic began. RE: Biden In The Debates...... - Mickeypoo - 09-17-2020 (09-17-2020, 07:40 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: The White House set a record for most days without a press briefing after a month without them and then shattered the record by going over 300 days without them, ending the streak as the pandemic began. That may be true, but it seems like he is answering questions daily in some form or another. One more thing..........GO BENGALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ![]() RE: Biden In The Debates...... - Dill - 09-17-2020 (09-16-2020, 09:09 AM)Mickeypoo Wrote: On the disinfectant thing. I'm not defending his choice of words at all, it was stupid, but I do not believe the narrative critics were trying to push either. This also proves there are some pretty, um, "simple" people out there. I don't say that to be mean. It's just that my 9 yr old and 12 yr old would know not to do that. Three points here. 1. Trump was certainly not encouraging people to self-medicate with bleach. But he did suggest researching some way to get disinfectant into the body to kill COVID, because he learned it kills the virus on external surfaces. That is thinking outside the box, but not in a good way. It means Trump didn't really know where the box was. Chemotherapy involves introducing acid-like chemicals into the body in tiny amounts to kill reproducing (thin-skinned cells), but to suppose one could get a virus that way, like cleaning an external surface--only inside the body--just means lack of basic biological/medical knowledge of cells and how a virus works on them. 2. Doesn't matter if the guy wiping my car down at the car wash doesn't know basic biology, but it may matter if the President of the US doesn't know during a pandemic. If he doesn't have a realistic idea of what can be good or bad research, can he tell good doctors from crackpots--a Fauci from an Atlas? I fear he cannot. And that inability to judge affects the administration's policy, the direction (or not) of resources, and the messaging needed to get the country all on the same page. It affects how he sorts through those "many different sources" coming "from all angles." Remember when Trump wanted to "slow down" the testing? Spoke as if more testing CREATED more cases? Remember the Fox defenses of his touting hydroxychloroquine? And just yesterday--> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-s-rebuke-of-cdc-director-sows-confusion-on-vaccine-timeline/ar-BB1990tM?ocid=uxbndlbing When the subject is life and death medical knowledge, we should not always be debating what a National leader really meant, whether he was serious, etc. That we are constantly doing that is itself an indication of bad leadership. 3. We common folk can and should strive to assess how well our leaders are doing--especially during a national crisis. Democracy is dead if we cannot do that successfully. Comparing the US response to that of other countries is a good place to start. That gives us some idea of what options were available to Trump and which he did or did not choose. It does look like some leaders "found the correct answer" for their countries, and communicated it clearly to the people they were sworn to protect. Others punished whistleblowers, scorned social distancing, muzzled medical experts, opened their economies, suppressed data, and attacked the press. We can make a "fair assessment" if we want to. But we must recognize what is at stake and want to make that assessment. RE: Biden In The Debates...... - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 09-23-2020 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p0rGLPdvqWM Hydrosonic missiles, ladies and gentlemen. I have to override my phone’s autocorrect to even type hydrosonic. Because even my phone knows better. This is the guy who knows more than the generals. RE: Biden In The Debates...... - BmorePat87 - 09-23-2020 (09-23-2020, 02:07 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p0rGLPdvqWM I mean, clearly he was joking/tired/working all day Did you see Biden pander to the wrong group??? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() RE: Biden In The Debates...... - Mickeypoo - 09-23-2020 (09-23-2020, 02:07 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p0rGLPdvqWM At least he didn't crash and reboot. He must be a newer model. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc5ka-MxgBQ RE: Biden In The Debates...... - GMDino - 09-23-2020 The Trump minions were out yesterday trying to push a new narrative that Biden is actually a very good debater. (Please note that they can't keep Trump on that message because all he knows how to do is insult.) https://thehill.com/homenews/media/517412-trump-campaign-plays-up-bidens-skills-ahead-of-cleveland-debate-hes-actually?fbclid=IwAR3xezHHsxQL4gRq2SJPeTp0-ukByxbZ4AnKyqpkMNeg4MqLcAUvjFvVqUg Quote:The Trump campaign attempted to play up the debate abilities of Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden with the first debate in less than 10 days. Some of my more rabid conservative friends have shared video after video after meme after meme about how Biden has dementia and will probably just stand on the stage and drool and how they CAN'T WAIT to watch Trump wipe the floor with him. I mentioned that even the Trump people realize that that isn't the case without telling them they are doing the same thing that republicans did for Trump in 2016: lowering the bar so far that everything will look good short of dropping his pants and crapping on the stage. Of course that doesn't register with them. To wit: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() And I understand most people have long ago made up their minds who they are voting for so the debates will serve very little purpose but there is a disconnect in there that is still stunning. Especially from people who would be considered smart and thinkers in other parts of their lives. RE: Biden In The Debates...... - GMDino - 09-23-2020 (09-23-2020, 08:48 AM)Mickeypoo Wrote: At least he didn't crash and reboot. He must be a newer model. When your fictional "sir" story gets confused with your fictional "my wife talks to me" story.
RE: Biden In The Debates...... - Mickeypoo - 09-23-2020 (09-23-2020, 09:58 AM)GMDino Wrote: When your fictional "sir" story gets confused with your fictional "my wife talks to me" story.Dude, it was funny and would have been funny no matter who did it. Just laugh, it's ok. George's face is hysterical! He's like "wtf just happened"? Obviously her teleprompter malfunctioned and she got confused. ![]() RE: Biden In The Debates...... - BmorePat87 - 09-23-2020 (09-23-2020, 11:37 AM)Mickeypoo Wrote: Dude, it was funny and would have been funny no matter who did it. Just laugh, it's ok. Shouldn't this have been your advice to yourself when you posted the Pelosi video in response to the Trump video? Dino literally just responded the way you did... RE: Biden In The Debates...... - GMDino - 09-23-2020 (09-23-2020, 11:37 AM)Mickeypoo Wrote: Dude, it was funny and would have been funny no matter who did it. Just laugh, it's ok. That's funny since you can see Trump's teleprompters on that video. ![]() RE: Biden In The Debates...... - Mickeypoo - 09-23-2020 (09-23-2020, 11:46 AM)GMDino Wrote: That's funny since you can see Trump's teleprompters on that video. IT WAS A JOKE, FFS!!! Did you not see the little ninja at the end? |