(04-24-2016, 06:39 PM)coachmcneil71 Wrote: While I agree this is a weak draft for WR's I also believe that you are slightly off base with your 4-5 good WR's assumption. 
There are 9-10 good WR's in this draft. If you do your homework you will most likely come to that conclusion as well.

(04-24-2016, 07:21 PM)PDub80 Wrote: I follow the draft religiously every year. I love it and find the workings of it fascinating through the entire off season. We even throw a draft party for about 20 of my buddies who are big football fans at my house every year and have since 2000 (if I recall). I've been doing homework on the draft since the season ended and the order was set.

- If there are 9-10 good players in a draft at a position, that's considered really strong. Not weak at all! A grade of 6 or higher on a player is considered to be a strong chance to be a good NFL starter.

There are 4 players rated at 6 or higher at wr and not really much separation between them. The high is 6.2 (Fuller & Treadwell) followed by 6.1 Doctson & 6.0 Coleman. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/tracker?icampaign=draft-sub_nav_bar-drafteventpage-tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-position/dt-by-position-input:wr

No superstars here at all in terms of projection. For a high benchmark to keep in your head for comparison, AJ Green projected out at 8.62! http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/a.j.-green?id=2495450 He would possibly be #1 overall pick if he were coming out this year. The next closest player grade wise to him is a 7.2. That's a big drop in talent.

All we can talk about during the draft is projection, so for the absolute BEST wr in this draft class to be at only a 6.2 and there are only 4 guys in the 6s means the class is awful. Obviously projections can be wrong, but the norm is that they are typically pretty accurate. The wrs this draft class are okay to poor.

Homestly, the only position group this draft that is hella strong is the Dline. If the Bengals took 3 Dlimeman I wouldn't care. There are 16 guys ranked 6 or higher. That's insane!

(04-24-2016, 08:19 PM)coachmcneil71 Wrote: I pretty much agree with everything you've stated for the most part and understand where you're coming from but there are several WR's that could easily fill the shoes of the teams departed 3rd and 5th RD WR's.

D-line is hella strong in this draft as you mentioned and that's a good thing for Cincy. Regardless of that fact the team is thin at WR and will most certainly need to grab one or two. It is what it is. 

You've already mentioned 4 WR's so there's that now add; M.Thomas,S.Shepard,T.Boyd,L.Carroo,B.Miller,K.Lawler,C.Brown,K.Listenbee,K.Garrett, and a couple of others. Any of which could help this team imho.

We're not looking for a #1 WR which would be a totally different thing.

(04-24-2016, 09:09 PM)bengalsturntup5532 Wrote: Doctson and listenbee for sure

(04-24-2016, 08:25 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Will Thomas fall to our second round choice?  

I know we don't need a #1.   But I would like a big WR.   Fuller and Coleman are so little.

(04-24-2016, 09:28 PM)PDub80 Wrote: The Doctson kid just doesn't do much for me I guess.

Watching him, he jumps for a lot of balls even when he doesn't have to. It's weird.

Plus, if I remember correctly, he kind of killed the weaker teams and didn't do so hot against good ones. The BIG12 is WEAK. I mean crappy. So, those guys putting up big numbers isn't too exciting. Same for the Coleman kid, but I can see him as a big upgrade in the return game so I kind of look at him as the only WR in the draft who will contribute right away somewhere. No way any of these guys are better than LaFell right off the bat when you add up his experience and production. None of them are Randy Moss, AJ Green, or Anquan Boldin. Heck, the Treadwell kid is said to be Bolden like, only without the hands    . Tha'ts how dodgy this WR group is.

(04-24-2016, 09:28 PM)PDub80 Wrote: The Doctson kid just doesn't do much for me I guess.

Watching him, he jumps for a lot of balls even when he doesn't have to. It's weird.

Plus, if I remember correctly, he kind of killed the weaker teams and didn't do so hot against good ones. The BIG12 is WEAK. I mean crappy. So, those guys putting up big numbers isn't too exciting. Same for the Coleman kid, but I can see him as a big upgrade in the return game so I kind of look at him as the only WR in the draft who will contribute right away somewhere. No way any of these guys are better than LaFell right off the bat when you add up his experience and production. None of them are Randy Moss, AJ Green, or Anquan Boldin. Heck, the Treadwell kid is said to be Bolden like, only without the hands    . Tha'ts how dodgy this WR group is.

(04-24-2016, 09:28 PM)PDub80 Wrote: The Doctson kid just doesn't do much for me I guess.

Watching him, he jumps for a lot of balls even when he doesn't have to. It's weird.

Plus, if I remember correctly, he kind of killed the weaker teams and didn't do so hot against good ones. The BIG12 is WEAK. I mean crappy. So, those guys putting up big numbers isn't too exciting. Same for the Coleman kid, but I can see him as a big upgrade in the return game so I kind of look at him as the only WR in the draft who will contribute right away somewhere. No way any of these guys are better than LaFell right off the bat when you add up his experience and production. None of them are Randy Moss, AJ Green, or Anquan Boldin. Heck, the Treadwell kid is said to be Bolden like, only without the hands    . Tha'ts how dodgy this WR group is.

(04-24-2016, 11:36 PM)BobJones4980 Wrote: So the last week or so I have been watching a ton of the mid to late round WR's trying to find someone I liked, usual guys like Peake, M. Mitchell and maybe even Caroo but one guy really stood out for me that actually reminded me a bit of Marvin Jones and that was :

Robby Anderson WR Temple - 6'3 190 pounds and ran a 4.34 40 at his pro day. Ran a lot of different routes at Temple, has great leaping ability to high point passes, makes some great adjustments to make the tough catches, can make some unreal catches whether that be 1 handed or using his quick hands to snatch the ball out of the air over a DB. You can watch his game where he went up against that Houston Defense that included a first round CB in William Jackson and came out of that game with 150 Yards and a TD and even got behind Jackson for a deep pass at one point. Didn't really have the best QB but still put up 939 Yards and 7 TD's in 2015.

Here he is getting by Jackson

Great One handed play

Clearly we need to take someone early but if we double dip I would love this guy in 4-6.

(04-24-2016, 11:36 PM)BobJones4980 Wrote: So the last week or so I have been watching a ton of the mid to late round WR's trying to find someone I liked, usual guys like Peake, M. Mitchell and maybe even Caroo but one guy really stood out for me that actually reminded me a bit of Marvin Jones and that was :

Robby Anderson WR Temple - 6'3 190 pounds and ran a 4.34 40 at his pro day. Ran a lot of different routes at Temple, has great leaping ability to high point passes, makes some great adjustments to make the tough catches, can make some unreal catches whether that be 1 handed or using his quick hands to snatch the ball out of the air over a DB. You can watch his game where he went up against that Houston Defense that included a first round CB in William Jackson and came out of that game with 150 Yards and a TD and even got behind Jackson for a deep pass at one point. Didn't really have the best QB but still put up 939 Yards and 7 TD's in 2015.

Here he is getting by Jackson

Great One handed play

Clearly we need to take someone early but if we double dip I would love this guy in 4-6.

(04-23-2016, 07:29 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Yes Big fan of Garret, could easily be picked in the 3rd and he is very under rated. Would probably make it to the 4th, but I wouldn't risk it.

(04-07-2016, 05:37 PM)TKUHL Wrote: So you guy value Doctson over Treadwell? or is this with the assumption Treadwell will be gone when we pick.

(04-25-2016, 11:23 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: The more I learn about this draft class, the more ok I am with grabbing a WR at 24 and then going DT in round 2.

Sounds like a weak class at WR and strong at DT. I really like the DT out of OSU (and no, I'm not an OSU fan) and word is that he could be available to us in round 2 which would be a pretty good steal IMO. So give me Coleman/Fuller and Washington in the first 2 rounds and I'd be happy through the rest of the draft.\

Fwiw, I do think people need to wrap their heads around the thought of Brandon Lafell starting in '16. He's probably going to be our #3 target this year no matter who we draft.

(04-25-2016, 04:19 PM)fortyyearfan Wrote: Doctson and then Keyarris Garrett from Tulsa 6ft3in220lbs and fast,tough and catches everything and our coaches like him.