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RE: Antifa: need to know - GMDino - 08-18-2017 (08-18-2017, 04:54 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Fight the Nazis! F*** the Constitution! American Nazis don't deserve the rights afforded to them by the Bill of Rights! This won't have repercussions AT ALL! Read anywhere I posted and tell me that I said they Nazis in America do not have the same rights as other citizens. Any post. I just have zero problem with other groups of citizens shouting down Nazis. As to Muslims...when I am presented with the good Nazis that are talking about how bad the bad ones are giving the rest of them a bad name then that analogy works. RE: Antifa: need to know - SunsetBengal - 08-18-2017 I give groups like Antifa about as much credence as "freedom fighters" as I do the pedophiliacs attempting to get their "love" of children recognized as a sexual preference, and not a heinous crime.. RE: Antifa: need to know - ballsofsteel - 08-19-2017 (08-18-2017, 08:24 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I give groups like Antifa about as much credence as "freedom fighters" as I do the pedophiliacs attempting to get their "love" of children recognized as a sexual preference, and not a heinous crime.. Yeah, its the exact same thing. ![]() RE: Antifa: need to know - PhilHos - 08-19-2017 (08-18-2017, 08:13 PM)GMDino Wrote: Read anywhere I posted and tell me that I said they Nazis in America do not have the same rights as other citizens. No, it's not that you said they do NOT have the same rights, it's that you do not WANT them to have the same rights. As evidenced by you having "zerio problem" with other citizens taking away their rights. I think Nazi ideology needs to be eradicated, too, but not at the expense of their rights as afforded them by the US Constitution. RE: Antifa: need to know - GMDino - 08-19-2017 (08-19-2017, 01:01 PM)PhilHos Wrote: No, it's not that you said they do NOT have the same rights, it's that you do not WANT them to have the same rights. As evidenced by you having "zerio problem" with other citizens taking away their rights. Oh heavens no! I've have said...repeatedly they have a right to free speech under the constitution! The government cannot stop them. Citizens can try to. Private places can try to. Privately owned companies can try to. Employers can try to. And if what they are saying is Nazi fueled hate speech I encourage everyone who can legally stop or shout them down to go right ahead. Someone on the boards awhile back said people don't understand what "free speech" means. Sadly I think that is still true. http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/not-many-exceptions-to-free-speech-guarantee/ Quote:Yes, the First Amendment applies only to government action, but that’s where censorship threats typically come from. Neighbors and private citizens can’t limit our speech, and bosses can do it in the workplace only because we have a contractual relationship with our employers. As Thomas Paine would have noted, we are born free, and the scope of our liberty is enormous. Everyone has the right to free speech...even if they are telling over each other. ![]() RE: Antifa: need to know - RICHMONDBENGAL_07 - 08-19-2017 (08-19-2017, 01:01 PM)PhilHos Wrote: No, it's not that you said they do NOT have the same rights, it's that you do not WANT them to have the same rights. As evidenced by you having "zerio problem" with other citizens taking away their rights.Every one has the right to free speech. However that means that the GOVERNMENT is not going to lock me up for exercising my right. It does not mean that free speech is going to be consequence free. If you are on the street corner spewing an evil vile message, you can be sure it will be met with opposition. And they have the same right to free speech to oppose that message. It's the violence where things get dicey. You got one side itching to pick a fight, and the other side is more than willing to oblige. I mean really what did you think these Nazi asshole were going to get when they hit the street...a parade? RE: Antifa: need to know - samhain - 08-19-2017 (08-19-2017, 02:29 PM)RICHMONDBENGAL_07 Wrote: Every one has the right to free speech. However that means that the GOVERNMENT is not going to lock me up for exercising my right. It does not mean that free speech is going to be consequence free. If you are on the street corner spewing an evil vile message, you can be sure it will be met with opposition. And they have the same right to free speech to oppose that message. It's the violence where things get dicey. It's like the workplace free speech scenario. You can say what you want, but if an employer doesn't want to keep you around after saying it, they don't have to. You may be free from government enforcement of speech, but you are never free from the reaction of others to it. You can say whatever, whenever. You can't stop people from responding in kind, so long as the response isn't violent. RE: Antifa: need to know - THE Bigzoman - 08-19-2017 (08-18-2017, 07:48 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: There is a unifying ideology to the white supremacists of racism. There is no unifying ideology to antifa apart from objecting to that. I disagree with their tactics, but I recognize that it is not an ideological equivalent to racist shit stains. That is my viewpoint on the overarching issue, and why I do, indeed, find the white supremacists more objectionable on a large scale. I don't think you've been researching and following the same antics I have. There is a lot of uniformity in ANTIFA. They're mostly in the far left spectrum and only differ in to what degree they beleive far left idealogy. You get everything from socialists to anarcho communists. Same can be said for the alt-right, which covers a wide spectrum of beliefs. All nazis in their current form are alt right, but not all alt right are nazis. It's one thing to say there're a genocide against white people going on; it's another to say we should "peacefully cleanse" minorities RE: Antifa: need to know - Belsnickel - 08-19-2017 (08-19-2017, 08:15 PM)THE Bigzoman Wrote: I don't think you've been researching and following the same antics I have. You disputed what I said, and then confirmed it. RE: Antifa: need to know - THE Bigzoman - 08-19-2017 (08-19-2017, 09:14 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: You disputed what I said, and then confirmed it. Not really. Do people's beliefs need to be completely identical in every aspect in to be uniform? The point was that they fell into different points in the spectrum, but theyre still the same spectrum. RE: Antifa: need to know - Belsnickel - 08-19-2017 (08-19-2017, 09:23 PM)THE Bigzoman Wrote: Not really. Even if they are on the same spectrum, they don't share an ideology. The post you are arguing against said that they don't share a unified ideology, and that what unifies the alt-right is racism. You aren't saying anything different than that. RE: Antifa: need to know - StLucieBengal - 08-19-2017 Antifa in Boston ![]() RE: Antifa: need to know - StLucieBengal - 08-19-2017 Antifa in Boston doing its usual. ![]() RE: Antifa: need to know - BmorePat87 - 08-19-2017 (08-19-2017, 11:28 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Antifa in Boston False, that image dates back to at least 2012. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/05/01/a-look-at-the-leaked-nypd-memo-regarding-may-day-wildcat-march-violent-black-bloc-tactics/ It's someone from the anarchist group Black Bloc. RE: Antifa: need to know - StLucieBengal - 08-20-2017 Antifa in Boston attacking and dragging an elderly woman holding up an American flag. RE: Antifa: need to know - StLucieBengal - 08-20-2017 (08-19-2017, 11:33 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: False, that image dates back to at least 2012. Black bloc and antifa run the same playbook. RE: Antifa: need to know - StLucieBengal - 08-20-2017 Antifa transgender who is anti black, then tries to fight one and loses Warning: strong language from the Antifa trangender. Antifa transgender: " we have no use for you" RE: Antifa: need to know - StLucieBengal - 08-20-2017 ![]() RE: Antifa: need to know - StLucieBengal - 08-20-2017 I did edit the foul language ![]() RE: Antifa: need to know - StLucieBengal - 08-20-2017 And now antifa is going after those who think the resistance is non violent ![]() |