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RE: Deadliest Mass Shooting in US History: 50 dead in Las Vegas - Yojimbo - 10-17-2017 I don’t know anything about this website, but they have an interesting theory given to them by a think tank in the UK. If you don’t want to click the link, it basically states that the amount of ammo and guns, modifications to increase fire rate, crowd target and location on the 32nd floor is the message the guy left behind. He basically wanted to horrify the American public with how easy it is to acquire and use so much firepower. http://thehayride.com/2017/10/think-mark-steyns-correspondent-las-vegas-massacre-figured/ RE: Deadliest Mass Shooting in US History: 50 dead in Las Vegas - Nebuchadnezzar - 10-17-2017 (10-17-2017, 06:30 PM)Yojimbo Wrote: I don’t know anything about this website, but they have an interesting theory given to them by a think tank in the UK. If you don’t want to click the link, it basically states that the amount of ammo and guns, modifications to increase fire rate, crowd target and location on the 32nd floor is the message the guy left behind. He basically wanted to horrify the American public with how easy it is to acquire and use so much firepower. I didn't read the link but the explanation you give about how the article says something about this guy wanting to show how easy it is to get firepower just reeks of crazy bias. As for the message left behind, it has been determined to be calculations on how to maximize damage plus wind speed, elevation, velocity and things like that. RE: Deadliest Mass Shooting in US History: 50 dead in Las Vegas - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 10-17-2017 (10-06-2017, 01:08 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Well then, maybe Jimmy Kimble and the rest of the teeth gnashing assholes on twitter can pony up some of their cash and STFU? Would you believe a study which indicated gun control laws would decrease gun violence if it was funded by a wealthy gun control nut? RE: Deadliest Mass Shooting in US History: 50 dead in Las Vegas - Yojimbo - 10-17-2017 (10-17-2017, 07:17 PM)Nebuchadnezzar Wrote: I didn't read the link but the explanation you give about how the article says something about this guy wanting to show how easy it is to get firepower just reeks of crazy bias. So, you think a person, that obviously had a screw loose, wouldn’t think filling a hotel room full of unused weapons and mods then killing a bunch of people wouldn’t have the affect of getting people to demand more gun control laws? Not message as in note left behind, message as in the point he was trying to make, his motive. RE: Deadliest Mass Shooting in US History: 50 dead in Las Vegas - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 10-17-2017 (10-17-2017, 07:19 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Would you believe a study which indicated gun control laws would decrease gun violence if it was funded by a wealthy gun control nut? Whomever funded it, my acceptance of the findings would be solely on the organization conducting the study and the methodology. I get your point though, although I could make the same point for many regarding the federal government depending on the party currently in power. RE: Deadliest Mass Shooting in US History: 50 dead in Las Vegas - Nebuchadnezzar - 10-18-2017 (10-17-2017, 10:09 PM)Yojimbo Wrote: So, you think a person, that obviously had a screw loose, wouldn’t think filling a hotel room full of unused weapons and mods then killing a bunch of people wouldn’t have the affect of getting people to demand more gun control laws? The only reason this guy did this was because he wanted to. If he had any agenda, we would have know about from the jump. His only agenda was to kill as many people as he could and he just felt like it. Personally, I also think he murdered and injured people because he wanted to be the guy who murdered and injured the most...to set the bar. RE: Deadliest Mass Shooting in US History: 50 dead in Las Vegas - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 10-18-2017 (10-17-2017, 11:16 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Whomever funded it, my acceptance of the findings would be solely on the organization conducting the study and the methodology. I get your point though, although I could make the same point for many regarding the federal government depending on the party currently in power. I believe you. But, the people acting upon the study would be legislators; Republicans and Democrats. Do you believe they would do the same? Hell, they don't even accept what the CBO says so I doubt any legitimate research from what should be credible, nonpartisan sources such as the CDC, NIH, or HHS would make much of a difference in the partisanship that is already a problem. RE: Deadliest Mass Shooting in US History: 50 dead in Las Vegas - GMDino - 10-18-2017 (10-18-2017, 12:12 AM)Nebuchadnezzar Wrote: The only reason this guy did this was because he wanted to. This might be the simplest and most logical reason. Evil people doing evil things. Given how calculated he was it might even turn out he's killed before...but not on this scale. RE: Deadliest Mass Shooting in US History: 50 dead in Las Vegas - michaelsean - 10-18-2017 (10-17-2017, 06:30 PM)Yojimbo Wrote: I don’t know anything about this website, but they have an interesting theory given to them by a think tank in the UK. If you don’t want to click the link, it basically states that the amount of ammo and guns, modifications to increase fire rate, crowd target and location on the 32nd floor is the message the guy left behind. He basically wanted to horrify the American public with how easy it is to acquire and use so much firepower. Is there anything in his history that has him favoring stricter gun laws? If not, that was a pretty big first step. RE: Deadliest Mass Shooting in US History: 50 dead in Las Vegas - Yojimbo - 10-18-2017 (10-18-2017, 11:45 AM)michaelsean Wrote: Is there anything in his history that has him favoring stricter gun laws? If not, that was a pretty big first step. That’s kind of the problem. There’s nothing in his history to suggest any motive. The think tank tried determining the motive from the only thing they had to work with, which was evidence at the crime scene. Here’s the whole theory, beware it’s a long read: Quote:Today we turned our collective minds to the the shooting in Las Vegas as a test case since the event is extraordinary in that thus far no one appears to have identified a cause behind the carnage. This is our reasoning: RE: Deadliest Mass Shooting in US History: 50 dead in Las Vegas - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 10-18-2017 (10-18-2017, 12:47 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: I believe you. But, the people acting upon the study would be legislators; Republicans and Democrats. Do you believe they would do the same? Hell, they don't even accept what the CBO says so I doubt any legitimate research from what should be credible, nonpartisan sources such as the CDC, NIH, or HHS would make much of a difference in the partisanship that is already a problem. I completely agree. What you have done, though, is make an excellent argument for the uselessness of the CDC conducting similar studies, for the same reasons. Neither side is interested in a genuine debate or a potential answer. Guns, like abortion, is a hot button issue both sides can gin up to get their voters to the polls. RE: Deadliest Mass Shooting in US History: 50 dead in Las Vegas - Belsnickel - 10-19-2017 (10-18-2017, 10:32 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I completely agree. What you have done, though, is make an excellent argument for the uselessness of the CDC conducting similar studies, for the same reasons. Neither side is interested in a genuine debate or a potential answer. Guns, like abortion, is a hot button issue both sides can gin up to get their voters to the polls. Pretty much this. There is limited research that has been done, but there is a good idea on things that could help. No one wants to hear it, though, because continuing to use it for politics is more valuable. RE: Deadliest Mass Shooting in US History: 50 dead in Las Vegas - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 10-19-2017 (10-18-2017, 10:32 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I completely agree. What you have done, though, is make an excellent argument for the uselessness of the CDC conducting similar studies, for the same reasons. Neither side is interested in a genuine debate or a potential answer. Guns, like abortion, is a hot button issue both sides can gin up to get their voters to the polls. Not conducting research because idiots will ignore it for political reasons is a poor excuse to not conduct research. Which is more likely to effect change for the better; research or no research? RE: Deadliest Mass Shooting in US History: 50 dead in Las Vegas - GMDino - 10-19-2017 (10-19-2017, 10:31 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Not conducting research because idiots will ignore it for political reasons is a poor excuse to not conduct research. Which is more likely to effect change for the better; research or no research? Almost as bad as not conducting research because a lobbyist group pays a lot of money to keep the research about their product and their usage from being done at all. RE: Deadliest Mass Shooting in US History: 50 dead in Las Vegas - michaelsean - 10-19-2017 (10-18-2017, 11:54 AM)Yojimbo Wrote: That’s kind of the problem. There’s nothing in his history to suggest any motive. The think tank tried determining the motive from the only thing they had to work with, which was evidence at the crime scene. That's just made up as far as I'm concerned. They came up with some "genius" theory, and tried (not very successfully) to fit the evidence in. Somehow him having no previous religious or political views means those aren't the reason, but they skip the part where he had no overt views on gun laws. RE: Deadliest Mass Shooting in US History: 50 dead in Las Vegas - Yojimbo - 10-19-2017 (10-19-2017, 11:51 AM)michaelsean Wrote: That's just made up as far as I'm concerned. They came up with some "genius" theory, and tried (not very successfully) to fit the evidence in. Somehow him having no previous religious or political views means those aren't the reason, but they skip the part where he had no overt views on gun laws. He had no known or published views on politics/religion, doesn’t mean he didn’t have them. By definition a theory is something that is just made up until there’s evidence to support it. RE: Deadliest Mass Shooting in US History: 50 dead in Las Vegas - michaelsean - 10-19-2017 (10-19-2017, 04:42 PM)Yojimbo Wrote: He had no known or published views on politics/religion, doesn’t mean he didn’t have them. By definition a theory is something that is just made up until there’s evidence to support it. No they ruled out politics and religion because he had no known history, but didn't do the same with gun laws. I can make a theory that he wanted to show that Americans should have a right to RPGs in case someone high up in a hotel room starts blasting away. RE: Deadliest Mass Shooting in US History: 50 dead in Las Vegas - jason - 10-19-2017 (10-19-2017, 05:02 PM)michaelsean Wrote: No they ruled out politics and religion because he had no known history, but didn't do the same with gun laws. I think he just hated pop country music... I know I do. RE: Deadliest Mass Shooting in US History: 50 dead in Las Vegas - michaelsean - 10-19-2017 (10-19-2017, 04:42 PM)Yojimbo Wrote: He had no known or published views on politics/religion, doesn’t mean he didn’t have them. By definition a theory is something that is just made up until there’s evidence to support it. How does, for instance, the fact that he had cameras setup to monitor the hallway advance their theory? It doesn't, but when I see people throwing in useless facts as evidence I get the feeling they are straining credibility. RE: Deadliest Mass Shooting in US History: 50 dead in Las Vegas - michaelsean - 10-19-2017 (10-19-2017, 05:11 PM)jason Wrote: I think he just hated pop country music... I know I do. Nailed it. |